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Jerry: 00:20 This is grand design podcast with DJ and Jerry Grand where we link the chains of reason of sports politics and culture.
DJ: 00:36 Welcome to the Grand Design Podcast, episode 12. If you want to get in touch with us, go to granddesignspodcast.com for our website. You can email us at grand designspodcasts@Yahoo. Instagram is @granddesignpodcast and Twitter to follow us is @granddesignspod. Um, today’s episode is about sports fan behavior, but before we get into that, uh, there’s a little update for episode seven. We talked about equality in sports, basically about transgender. Um, this is from April 11th of this year. Every House Democrat, but one co sponsors bill intended to let biological male athletes compete against females in public schools. So it’s gotten into the government. Yes. So there are actually saying that even if it’s unequal, cause I think transgender male becoming a female is unequal. Let them have it.
Jerry: 01:38 I’m not sure what university they’re now admitting transgender. It’s an all female school, but they’re admitting the boys who want to become females or it could be the other way around. They’re allowing that to be an admission.
DJ: 01:51 Well, this isn’t sports, but did you hear what happened in Alaska? A, a transgender who went from female to male, went into a boys’ bathroom in a high school and took a picture of it posted on snapchat. The next day, there was a small riot where 11 boys went into the female saying and that they were identifying as female went into the girls’ bathroom. One of the, one of the girls was in there, kicked a boy in his private parts and yeah, she got suspended and the liberals are up in arms or the feminist because she got suspended. This, this is all because of this identifying as a female male,
Jerry: 02:32 it’s only gonna get worse. It’s getting out of control.
DJ: 02:35 Yeah,
Ryan: 02:36 Were they just joking like the kids, are they actually being serious?
DJ: 02:39 They were the boys. They were. They’re upset. And then what made them mad? What pissed him off was she posted it on, on social media, on snapchat, and she just did it without the bragging of it. I think everything would’ve been fine, but she went into the bragging, oh look at what this looks like, showing everybody. And then this happened in Alaska.
Ryan: 03:00 It’s just a bathroom,
DJ: 03:00 Yes
Ryan: 03:00 I always thought the women’s bathrooms are supposed to be nicer because they supposed to smell better like perfume and shit. So
DJ: 03:09 it’s true. It’s true. But the point is, I just wanted to update that. It’s gone beyond just the sports field now. Now it’s in the legislature. They are make it a law and I think what the law is, the Equality Act, we’re broadly amend civil rights legislation to allow discrimination against Lgbtq people. So they’re actually making it the law that you have to allow transgenders.
Jerry: 03:35 I think also right after that episode we did were someone had the skull cracked, it was a male fighter, went into a female
DJ: 03:43 didn’t we talk about,
Ryan: 03:43 Yeah, we talked about that.
Jerry: 03:45 That happened. Okay. All right.
DJ: 03:46 Yeah. I think the orbital bone,
Ryan: 03:48 Yeah
DJ: 03:48 What was her name? Fannie. Fanny.
Ryan: 03:50 Yeah, I forgot her name,
Jerry: 03:51 I thought it was something different than that, but okay.
DJ: 03:52 I forgot her name too. Yeah, I think we did address that. Anyway, it’s just the one to give you a little update on what we were talking about earlier. Now let’s get into the sports behavior and uh, how fans can somehow both make it better for the environment better and ruin it.
Jerry: 04:09 Yes. It really, it all starts with sports radio, the talk show. Uh, we’ll go back to the mid nineties, maybe early, early nineties, when Mitch album came out with the first Sunday two hour talk and it just blew up. Ever since then, fans, they think they’re a GM scout owners, they know everything. They pay their salary and they have a right to say get rid of them fire ’em and so forth. And it’s really out of control now, especially with Detroit Lions draft going on right now. Look, Quinn, uh, Patricia, I’m not, I’m going to go into the Fords, but these guys know what they’re doing. They have their own game plan. And for these fans that come out and say it, they drafted this they’re going to burn the city. If they don’t draft this person when they’ve already signed some free agents, like for example, uh, Mel Kiper has got them picking a, a tight end. One fan called in and said they’ve got the tight in the first round, they’ll burn the city down.
DJ: 05:04 What if it’s the best fit? The best tight end and happens to be the best player available when that comes around?
Jerry: 05:07 Now this tight end is scouted to be, now you know how this goes. It’s all prediction. So it can pan out. It may not, but he’s the next Gronkowski quick tall, wide receiver blocker. Uh, that’s why he is high up in the rankings and the Lions don’t have a tight end. But see they just signed the Pittsburgh Steelers, Jesse James. So I don’t think the going to need that. My point of bringing this up is that fan who called in and said he was gonna burn the city down because these guys picked this person, this fan. I don’t know what he does, thinks he knows more. And this all comes from the, the lately, the sports radio. It’s just being lit up with just people. For example, I think I called you one day and told you it got out that Yzerman might go to the Rangers. The whole talk from the remainder was how the city would be burned down no more Redwings. Fire Uh, whoever didn’t let the high, well whoever didn’t hire Yzerman and let them go to the Rangers.
DJ: 06:03 That’s Illitch, isn’t it?
Jerry: 06:03 Well Illitch’s son but they’re talking more of, I’m not sure who hired the president of operations because that’s where he’s going to go from New York. The point is these fans boycotting just outrageous that Yzerman would even, and most of them were saying they’d be mad at him cause he went to the Rangers. It is his career. He can’t better himself? As far as I last, I knew a, I think Devalano was the president of operations and Holland is the GM.
DJ: 06:28 I think the premise is wrong. They’re coming from the premise that Yzerman actually is from Detroit and he just played here. He’s not from Detroit. He knows he owes zero loyalty.
Jerry: 06:38 I agree.
DJ: 06:39 To the city.
Jerry: 06:39 Even the host were saying they would be mad at Yzerman for saying yes to the Rangers. When Detroit not even offered, I mean it’s okay to go to Tampa Bay, but don’t you go to any of the original six or even a rival, God forbid to Toronto.
DJ: 06:52 See the problem is he was, they were all looking for him to be the GM, the savior and replace Holland, but he’s going to be at least was it was interviewed to be the president of the Rangers. I don’t even think that’s on the table to be the president of the Red Wings. I would. That’s a better job. Why wouldn’t you go there?
Jerry: 07:07 That’s where it gets even funnier because you know what the fans are saying? Make it the job. Whoever’s in the Detroit make whatever Yzerman is getting in New York, make it do it. Here we go.
DJ: 07:17 Do they even realize that he won’t be making it on the GM makes it day to day decisions, so he won’t be making the decisions to save the team
Jerry: 07:23 That’s the point, they have no clue yet. They’re sitting here demanding that he Detroit do whatever it takes to me. Fire these guys who aren’t currently the president just because Yzerman might be going to New York now. This was a New York Post article and again, it got Detroit all riled up, but they’re still talking about it today.
DJ: 07:38 See, that’s the, they’re arguing from emotion. They’re really thinking because Yzerman was part of bringing the championship, the Stanley Cup to Detroit for those years. They’re arguing that they want that love back again from the feeling and it doesn’t necessarily mean that there were going to get it back.
Jerry: 07:52 You should probably mark this podcast cause I’m telling you now this year, the next upcoming season for the Lions are going to get screwed on this new pas interference uh, uh, review and the, they’re just going to call up the next day like they did to be a Dallas game. How they got jobbed from that pass interference flag. That got picked up when they talked about it because now it is, they’re going down and the Lions made a great play. All right, but now the other coach can throw that flag to review that it was interference. Now you slow any play down in slow motion, you’ll see every ticky tack grab, whatever it could be interpreted as pass interference. So now what the Lions had a good play there are now going to get screwed again because of the rule that they’re championing it. Now it’s more than New Orleans, but the lines aren’t too because they got job two years ago in the Dallas playoff. The point being is that the fans will light up that radio show, the referee, just death threats. You name it.
DJ: 08:48 Well, it can work both ways, if a, it turns out to be a play in their benefit, they’re going to love the role, but when it goes against them they’re going to be all up in arms and and pay grades. They got ripped off
Jerry: 08:59 In the Lions history, when has anything ever gone their way? Good.
DJ: 09:03 I agree, but we’re talking about individual plays now and in the individual play can, I mean a call it could end up being in their favor one or two times.
Jerry: 09:10 I get your point but my point is, odds are it’s going to screw the lions and their fans are just going to get all illusions of grandour. How they’re now the ref, they see it better from their couch drinking beer, you know, critiquing, and then it goes over to the next week about whatever topic. Right now it’s, it’s the Pistons in the draft and it’s, and we’ve talked about her earlier, uh, the, the Red Wings and tanking, how they won the last couple of games and they’re not going to get Jack Hughes now. So here we go again. The fans are upset with the Wings, the fans, for not losing,
DJ: 09:39 I need to address that
Jerry: 09:40 We talked about it.
DJ: 09:42 I need to address that Jack Hughes situation because as it was Ottawa, well they traded to Colorado
Jerry: 09:47 Avalanche Right.
DJ: 09:48 But Ottawa had the best pick and they ended up number four. So even if they did lose and become in last place, they could have had still the fourth pick. They still wouldn’t have gotten Hughes because of the lottery. They don’t understand the nature of the draft.
Jerry: 10:02 Correct.
DJ: 10:02 That’s a foolish, foolish argument.
Jerry: 10:03 They’re thinking that they tanked and they came in last, they would’ve gotten Jack Hughes. I still think for the Rangers and the Blackhawks and get the second and third pick is what really got upset because they went from four to six and the Rangers and Blackhawks went from like 12 and 13 to the top because
DJ: 10:17 that only helps my argument out because you don’t know what your situation is going to be. You don’t know what your position is going to be because of Lotto,
Jerry: 10:23 OK
DJ: 10:24 so they dropped from four to six because of the lotto
Jerry: 10:26 So, for the purpose of this. Here we go again with the fans not understanding and then calling and thinking they know more than the GM w whoever it may be for the sport that they’re calling to complain about and it’s every day when you listen to 97.1 any sports talk, that’s all the fans do. It’s just complain how they know better. They know how to better to play calling, the player acquisitions. They’re even saying now that we should go out and get, for example, sign someone like R Kelly. As long as he can score a touchdown and hit the home run. It doesn’t matter anymore. That’s our fans though.
DJ: 11:01 That’s pragmatism there
Jerry: 11:02 We already talked about that.
DJ: 11:04 However, I know I’ve brought this up in the past, but a lot of this has to blame, I have to blame EA sports and their video games and I love their video games, but they get, they get to playing and they think and they have to make trades in those games and they think that it’s just like that they can go out and do it and get their own, even though they probably set it on easy mode, they probably get the, probably get it from that, that they think they can
Jerry: 11:26 Probably Madden more than anybody because that’s the thing, the game where you can
DJ: 11:28 Not just Madden,
Jerry: 11:29 all of them,
DJ: 11:29 the NBA and NHL It’s not just Madden. The point is they allow you to be a GM basically
Ryan: 11:33 Yeah
DJ: 11:33 in those games and all of a sudden because you won in that season, you think you can go in the real world and be a GM in the real. And in fact, if I’m mistaken, GM’s aren’t paid to win they’re paid to fill the seats.
Jerry: 11:46 You know you’re correct. I did a back in 10 years ago, took a course on to be a GM, scout and the GM’s Are not paid to literally do any acquisitions. The talent, although if you, if you figure it out, if you get a good talent, number one pick, it fills the seats. Not always, but they are paid to fill the seats. And the good example is this year in the NBA, this happened to the Sacramento Kings made the playoffs I believe, and they fired their coach and they just hired the Lakers coach Luke Walton. The guy did good. He, it was a team was horrible and he did a good job and he got canned.
DJ: 12:23 I don’t know the situation and it depends on what was going down, what happened. I don’t know. Was the locker room in disarray? I don’t know. It depends on the situation.
Jerry: 12:30 I don’t think he lost the team because they actually were doing better than the Lakers. They actually, uh, I think they’d beaten, I think they swept the Lakers, they may have been the eighth seed either way. They were a team that were, that were coming up and yet it was more like the fans calling it and just outraged. I think at the end they wanted, they wanted the tank for uh, the pick coming out who? Zion Williamson and they caught on real quick. After making the playoffs, eighth seed they’re going to get obliterated by the Warriors.
DJ: 12:58 So you think it was the fans calling on radio talks? The talk shows that
Jerry: 13:03 I’m pretty sure the
DJ: 13:03 got him fired really?
Jerry: 13:04 I’m pretty sure the Sacramento Kings, this guy is a fan related owner. I mean he takes it. There was an article a couple of years ago, even in the talk, we were talking about this guy that was basically listen to the fans and what they wanted and pretty much to make them happy because he went along with trying to appease them. You pay their salaries
DJ: 13:24 Well, you were in order to get it from. He just told that even though it’s not true,
Jerry: 13:28 that’s the whole point. He was appeasing the fans and then he gave like the fans had some power and there’s talk shows just lit up. They even got Chris Webber, I believe he paid for, I played for the kings and they got screwed. We talked about the officials screwed them out of an NBA title and that was over a draw because they want, who do you want to see? Do you want to see the Boston Celtics and the Kings or the Boston Celtics and LA Lakers in the finals? Now I’m not asking you the NBA officials, but those gms are paid to fill the seats period. If those seats aren’t filled, they’re going to lose her jobs.
DJ: 13:59 Well, that’s my point. I don’t think they would, the average fan would be lost because that’s not, the job is not to win. It’s, it’s not too, I mean it’s great if you do win because that will fill the seats. But the job primarily is filling the seats.
Jerry: 14:11 I think you said it before a couple of podcast episodes ago that it’s jealousy, they’re just jealous. The fact that, look, it’s a kid’s game and these GMs and coaches are being paid. Look at Harbaugh and I think he’s done a great job at Michigan making 7 million a year and yet he is being trolled cause he hasn’t won. He hasn’t won a big 10 championship. He hasn’t taken them to Indianapolis. He just being trolled. And what the program was when he took it over. I think it’s an alright job. I’m, I’m…
DJ: 14:36 More than all right. What a Rich Rodriguez and Brady Hoke did was abysmal compared to what Harbaugh is doing now
Jerry: 14:41 Where he’s taking it and he’s brought it back to I would agree. But here we go again. Fans think they know more than Harbaugh and he’s making 7 million. I could make 7 million and do a better job than him. So it’s that jealousy that it’s the money they want to make that money. Uh, which gets in, I don’t know how you want
DJ: 15:00 You see the, but he got that 7 million based on what he did prior
Jerry: 15:04 Correct, Stanford
DJ: 15:05 What he did with San Fransisco and Stanford.
Jerry: 15:06 Correct. Absolutely.
DJ: 15:07 So
Jerry: 15:08 all of these athletes are paid on what they did
DJ: 15:10 jumping into the job is not going to get you a $7 million salary,
Jerry: 15:13 but when you got these people who are jealous because they think they can do it for that 7 million, whatever, seven figure salary, then it turns into stuff like this.
DJ: 15:21 Oh, I agree. I agree.
Jerry: 15:24 The other part is that I’ve been to a couple of… Last Lion game that I went to. Uh, I wasn’t really a fan of the Dolphins like I was. And you know, back in the day it was a big Miami Dolphin Fan. The couple games that I went to, the Silverdome, it wasn’t pleasant just because you wore a different color. I mean, I literally got, nothing was thrown at me, but some of these comments were pretty, pretty vulgar because I was wearing a different color and that actually, here’s the bad part. They beat the dolphins and they still, just because I was wearing that had to, and it wasn’t like a college where it was good, clean, he was vilified, they were just upset. How could you wear that in here? My favorite team.
DJ: 16:03 Well, I can give you an example of someone who was a very smart man outside of sports fan behavior and loses it when it becomes a sports fan. On Your podcast, Ryan, you brought up Gary Vaynerchuk or one of your guests did.
Ryan: 16:19 Oh yeah, yeah, yeah
DJ: 16:19 He’s a jet Fan. In fact, one of his goals is to become, to own The New York Jets.
Ryan: 16:23 Yeah. Okay. I know who you’re talking about
DJ: 16:25 I’ve listened to a couple of his podcasts and he’s literally said that he has gone and bullied kids and old men if they’re not wearing a Jet Jersey to the Jets.
Jerry: 16:35 I’ve got a problem with that.
DJ: 16:36 This guy is a smart guy. I mean, when it comes to social media and business, he knows, I mean, he’s, right now he has a $1 billion business, but when it comes to being a sports fan, his behavior is atrocious. That is wrong.
Jerry: 16:50 100% wrong because it made me feel, I didn’t want to go back and have it. The Lions, even won, most of the time when they lose oh, watch out. If you were on that, um, I have an article here, the Dodgers and Giants who are enemies don’t like each other because he wore a Giants Jersey, two Dodgers fan, they killed him. No, I’m sorry. They didn’t kill them. Beat up so bad that he’s near death. He’s a paraplegic, cracked his brain and they’re in jail for eight years. And when he was
DJ: 17:15 all for a meaningless sports game,
Jerry: 17:17 he was attacked for wearing the giants jersey. He got sucker punched. When he hit the cement, he got knocked out. The guys who hit him kicked him and said, that’s what you get for wearing that shirt. That’s what you get. I’ll come and do a game to enjoy it. Um, and this guy was a, uh, uh, a paramedic who got attacked. Oh, these guys are serving eight year sentences, but eight years, this guy’s forever. He needs care for the rest of his life. I mean, it’s a sad situation. I was mistaken for another situation oh, what do you know at the San Francisco and the Dodgers again where this guy was stabbed to death over wearing a Dodgers jersey. So it goes both ways. A Dodger killed, the harmed or maimed Giant fan and the Giants literally stabbed a Dodger fan to death.
DJ: 17:59 So when you break it down to the basic level, he was killed because of the color of the threads he wore on his Jersey.
Ryan: 18:07 You know, gang signs, like all that again, you know what I mean,
DJ: 18:10 It is irrational absolutely, in fact, no, they’re not the legal gangs,
Ryan: 18:15 Yeah
DJ: 18:15 criminal gangs, but they’re gangs.
Ryan: 18:18 It comes down to that If you’re putting your life on the line
DJ: 18:20 or hurt someone over wearing another color, you’re a gang is a gang member
Ryan: 18:24 Yeah.
DJ: 18:24 Absolutely.
Jerry: 18:24 There’s alcohol, that’s part of the problem too.
DJ: 18:27 I mean, they’ll get that liquid courage in them and they think they can, they can beat anybody up or take anyone down.
Ryan: 18:33 Or say anything they want to.
Jerry: 18:33 I don’t fault the people who want to have a good time, but a lot of people just tailgate a Lion’s game for the tailgating sake. They have no intention of going inside. Some of these guys get liquored up and then when they go in, they even drink even more. The price of the beer as crazy as it is, is irrelevant and it is just, I mean there were a couple of Monday night football games where it was a brawl up in the upper bowl and it was a Silverdome that’s in Detroit now, so when they get liquored up, I think that’s really a part of the problem that liquid courage takes over. They think, you know, because you’re wearing the enemy’s colors that they now can. They have every right to go and chastise. You really didn’t do anything. They physical violence back in the day was just, the college game is a little different. You’ve been to a hockey game in the U of M and that’s a fun atmosphere. This wasn’t fun. This was, they were mad because they lost and now you’re going to pay for it.
DJ: 19:21 I have a low opinion of Detroit sports fans. I know being from Detroit, that means a lot, but I really do. I could tell you a story. When I went to the Pittsburgh civic arena before it closed down to see Mario Lemieux and I didn’t get to see what he’s got hurt, but I went through with my wife. She wore a Red Wings Jersey and I wore the Penguins Jersey. There were Detroit fans had came to see them follow the Red Wings who harassed me in a foreign, um, arena, not even in Detroit arena that couldn’t believe that they would come over and talk to me and couldn’t believe that I was from Detroit and I was wearing a Pittsburgh Jersey. They gave me a hard time because of it and it’s, it’s, and I didn’t get hurt. I didn’t get threatened, but I could see where that can lead to.
Ryan: 20:09 Yeah, yeah
Jerry: 20:09 Well, guy used to work with certain insurances in Nashville, faints from Nashville. The one thing he hated was when Detroit would take over that when they began as an expansion team, Detoir would just fill it up and take it over and they would just come down and they would throw a how many cups you got, how many cups you got? Not even bringing up the fact that Montreal probably destroys them in the amount they have.
DJ: 20:30 24 to 11, Montreal has 24
Jerry: 20:32 they wanted it. They wanted the let the Nashville fans know that they had 11 cups and Nashville had zero. They were an expansion team. It was just borderline arrogance, even though they were good. It was the fan though. The fan that comes down to just do that.
DJ: 20:45 This is part of my problem with Detroit fans. They totally forget about the fact in the 80s that there were known as a Dead Wings. They totally forget about that. It doesn’t matter. What only matters. They put parentheses around their, Michigan State fans do this too. They put parentheses around their wins because they don’t know when they were abysmal and bad way, way in the path. That doesn’t matter. It’s that we’re, we’ve been good for a little while.
Jerry: 21:06 We’re going to go back 10 years or 11 years. Well, we’re 9-2 forget anything that happened before that we are 9-2
DJ: 21:13 Are you talking about Michigan State now?
Jerry: 21:14 Correct Yes.
DJ: 21:14 That’s exactly what I’m, what I mean it doesn’t matter in the total overall record and if you put Detroit’s total overall record, it’s not all that good.
Jerry: 21:22 I think you got a, a better uh, example of the fans are just completely, I don’t know, but ignorant or stupid border line. When we were kids watching the Yankees, they always won and what did Detroit Fan’s call them “evil empire.” They always win, they always go out, they always sign that free agent. Uh, A-Rod you name it. It happened every single year
DJ: 21:41 and Detroit Red Wings did that in 2002
Jerry: 21:44 What is the difference between the Red Wings outside of the sport, the Red Wings and the Yankees? Not a darn thing. The owners want to win.
DJ: 21:53 Well,
Jerry: 21:53 Illitch brought in all those free agents bought the cup one year,
DJ: 21:57 For one year, and I’ll give credit where credit’s due. 97 & 98 cups, Detroit was the best team. I don’t think they were bought. I think that was the Russian five and the development, but they bought the 2002 cup,
Jerry: 22:08 but okay, they bought that. But even when the Russians, they acquired Fetisov off. They went out and did some free agent acquisitions that the Yankees always did, but the Yankees were bad for doing it, but when Detroit did it, no, no, that’s great. We’re awesome. We’re Detroit hockey town. We can do that. So one in one sport evil, how dare they do that, but in this town, as long as the Wings do it fine and dandy. Now, I don’t know how many years the Rangers tried to buy the cup and just failed. The Wings actually, Illitch actually pulled it off one year. Brett Hall, Luc Robitaille,
DJ: 22:37 the Rangers have failed more I think.
Jerry: 22:39 Yeah, they did. They failed a lot more, they were horrible. Ilitch actually pulled it off. He bought the free agents and with the Paval Datsyuk drafting in the seventh or sixth round Zetterberg which was pretty good. That’s what carried them for all those years.
DJ: 22:51 I still think developing the Russian five is different, even through trades. I mean that’s their job. It’s different than going out and buying the cop like they did when they got better.
Jerry: 23:01 I agree with you. I agree, but you, but you could use an example of the Yankees are the same thing as a Russian five and yet they were bad. They were always evil for bringing in all kinds of free agents every year. Steinbrenner wanted to win. He didn’t care about the luxury tax. Just win. Win the series, how many times he fired Martin for not winning and then hired him back? He was just mad.
DJ: 23:20 Well, I can throw that evil back on to them because the proper definition of evil is hating the good for being good. And if you hated the Red Wings, I mean hated the New York Yankees because they were good. Well, not because of their flaws, but you hated them because they were good. Then you, my friend are evil
Jerry: 23:38 If you listen to them now, because over the last, when the Tigers were relevant, they knocked the Yankees out. They won’t shut up about that. But back in the day when it was always the Yankees, again, there’s more parity now to where these fans, they have a where they think they have a chance to have more, let’s say back in the day was always a certain Dodgers and the Yankees were always in the world series and you didn’t have sports talk so the fans couldn’t weigh in like they do now. My point being is the Red Wing fans are hypocrites. Although I did stay in Philadelphia for a while. They’re pretty bad too. When you throw batteries at Santa Claus in a football game, that’s bad and that’s what they did. All right, and that wasn’t very, very, very merry.
DJ: 24:19 You’re right and I don’t like it being brought up either. If you bring it up and Philadelphia, they’ll get mad at you just for bringing up.
Jerry: 24:23 Here we go again, but you did it. If you don’t want to bring up, don’t. If you want to be held accountable, don’t do it.
DJ: 24:31 I know. I’m not going to say that Detroit Red Wings (fans) are the worst. They’re not the worst, but
Jerry: 24:35 I’m going to put them up there. I’m going to put them up there as one of the worst
DJ: 24:39 one of maybe I think Philadelphia (fans) hands down are the worst
Jerry: 24:43 And New England. They’re, they’re, they’re, they’re in a good, again, I was there and their team back in that day, they were horrible and they were up here we go upset because I was a Dolphin fan. In New England and they were horrible. That was back in the days when they had the guy bent over on the helmet.
DJ: 24:57 The sad part is, I don’t think it matters where you’re at. If you go to a foreign state when you were a different jersey, you’re going to get in trouble for it.
Jerry: 25:04 Well, no, I, I’ve, I’ve heard Green Bay is that they’re very courteous. They’re, they, they do not, it’s a fun time. That’s from what I hear, people went to Lambeau Field and watch the football game there. It wasn’t anything like they experienced in Detroit or New York or San Francisco. It was really a fun time, but that’s a different situation because that team is owned by stockholders. The fans, it’s the only one in the NFL to where the actual fans, they could actually say, hey, I paid their salary if they own the stock because it literally their GM, they answered to a board of directors. It’s not a stock market too.
DJ: 25:35 Even there I think you’re conflating the issue, just cause your own stock doesn’t mean you pay their salary. You can’t say, I own apple stock so I pay your salary. That’s so not true.
Jerry: 25:43 But I’ll give those guys…
DJ: 25:44 No, you are invested in the team. Absolutely. Monetarily invested but you can’t say you paid their salaries.
Jerry: 25:49 But I would give them more of a leverage over any other city that doesn’t. You know those guys, that city actually they have an investing power in that team that that’s the only reason I bring that up.
DJ: 25:58 I understand, but I still think it’s conflating the two. But I get your point. I do
Jerry: 26:03 Now we get into after the alcohol, this is where it really gets bad is the parents at the kids’ game. Some of these TV that I’ve watched, they turn into brawls. I’ve even heard of a parents go into the coach, I’m not bringing my son, if you’re not going to play him. Questioning, why didn’t you play my son over that son? But yet when they were asked to coach crickets. I’m too busy he couldn’t do it. They literally are living through their kids at that game and if a ref calls a bad call, they get they, it has gone to violence. It starts at the kid’s game and these parents just take it too seriously.
DJ: 26:38 Absolutely. If you’re going to fight over the results of your kid now. I mean literally fist fight. I mean that is disgusting. It’s deplorable.
Jerry: 26:48 I actually give me one that I lived through with, uh, you know, when Nikki was a figure skater back when she was just five and six years old and that vision, tiny, tiny little girls just, it was just cute seeing him out there. Well she got first and I think a girl from India got second. Her Dad tore up that metal and just curse the judges out. Five years old
DJ: 27:06 India or was it was Indiana?
Jerry: 27:08 It was the world championships. Yeah. Ooh, yes. They had one from England. They were all over the world at this one. I never forget this guy cause he had that thick Indian Apu accent over literally his daughter not being the best and he was yelling at the judges when they gave the award out the metals, it kind of ruined Nikki’s time because he was making a big scene over his daughter not getting the Gold and Nikki got it. Again, a good example of a parent just living through and most of it is they, they see some of these kids. Tiger Woods was the first one where his dad put him as a young age as a golfer, documented, he was on the Mike Douglas show and grows up to be world famous golfer. Millions worth millions. Parents are saying, if I do that to my kid, my kid will make millions and I’ll be taken care of. So really investing and making their kid, we talked about this, making their kids want to play just so they see that big payday. What are the kid likes it or not so irrelevant?
DJ: 27:59 Wasn’t that that the?
Ryan: 28:01 Yeah
Jerry: 28:01 We talked to? We talked about this report. Absolutely,
Ryan: 28:03 Trophy Kids
Jerry: 28:03 yes. It’s where they take it too seriously, but I think there’s where they’re taking it. They invest all this money and training and they make this all star team and they don’t play enough. Parents take it personally with the refs and the coach or if uh, another team checks their, their kid, it was like a dirty play and the parents go after each other. It’s personal.
DJ: 28:22 It’s not just against the coach. I’ve heard about parents going after the officials. So I think especially if
Jerry: 28:26 the officials to
DJ: 28:27 high school officials and they berate the high schooler, the young kid, because he’s making a mistake and it’s just for, gee,
Ryan: 28:36 Yeah
Jerry: 28:36 That’s where it goes down…
DJ: 28:37 That’s what I don’t understand. We’re talking about a game. And, and if you look at the huge picture of things, these games are meaningless. They mean next to nothing and yet you’re gonna fight. You’re going to make a high school kid feel bad because he made a mistake
Jerry: 28:50 and we say it’s meaningless. But the parents take it as meaningful because of the time they’ve invested and money, more importantly
DJ: 28:58 no, no it’s emotion.
Jerry: 28:59 Now, I agree with you
DJ: 28:59 That’s when they get their emotion involved. Because if you are distant from it, even if it’s, you pay money, you can invest in a company and it fails, you know?
Jerry: 29:08 Why are they emotionally invested?
DJ: 29:09 Because they’re vicariously living through their kids
Jerry: 29:12 because…
DJ: 29:12 they want to win the championship through their kid. That’s emotion.
Jerry: 29:17 But I also think of that the training and the time they put into it, they expect to get the rewards from them. When they don’t see it, the emotion kicks in to take it to another level. And it’s mostly disgusting what can happen if the parents get upset.
Ryan: 29:30 I think it’s like they’re fans of their kid and only their kid, whatever it may be.
Jerry: 29:35 I think you’re 100% correct.
Ryan: 29:36 I mean it’s like that’s not how team sports work you know, they all gotta be doing something for it to be a success.
Jerry: 29:43 And it really gets bad when you’re on a travel team. When all the kids are good, they’re picked, handpicked,
Ryan: 29:47 Yeah,
Jerry: 29:47 and they’re all good. But yet the parents still think their kids better than that kid again, but they’re all good to begin with. Best of the best. In most cases.
DJ: 29:55 We played in high school, you actually could sit the bench and never play a single inning in baseball. I mean, so you weren’t, you weren’t guaranteed to play and you may even gotten on the team. That doesn’t mean you’re going to play.
Jerry: 30:07 Yeah. But back then we got cut. They don’t cut anymore. They’re actually paying to play now and
DJ: 30:12 now we’re getting to the home, the participation trophy because you’ve got to pay a certain amount of play, a certain amount of innings
Jerry: 30:18 and they won’t cut because of the hurt feelings of the kid when they got cut and yeah, I got cut. But you go back and you’re better the next year.
DJ: 30:25 The premise is that you’re agreeing with the participation trophy that you must play my kid no matter what, you must, I don’t care if they’re good or bad play a certain amount of time.
Jerry: 30:32 Look at the little league world series. I mean I like watching it, but I hate the rule where every kid’s got to at least bat, run or…I mean even the end of the bench, they’ve got to play in the field. I mean it gives it to coach it like that. Especially for the world championship. You’re playing Japan and how you got to worry about, because you didn’t play this kid, you know, one inning or one at bat. You got to get him in there and you got to take your best player out. I mean at that rule, I don’t like
DJ: 30:56 the huge loophole that is just having to be a pinch runner. Just go have him run for one. You know,
Jerry: 31:01 I have to look up, I have to look up the exact rules, but it’s pretty technical. But again, just to run, you have to make them just, just to pinch run. But I think it’s more than just pinch running. The point I’m bringing up is it’s the participation that kid has to play when he’s not the best, but he has to play they’re forcing the coach’s hand and that can literally sometimes costs that championship. And again, this is competitive at the highest level for these kids. It’s the little league world series. They’re playing Japan, Thailand, especially when it gets to the international play.
DJ: 31:32 No, I agree. I agree with it gets back to the participation trophies, but the, when the, when the parents get involved, especially when like you said earlier, they don’t, they don’t step up to coach. They don’t step up to do third base coaching or first base coaching, you know, the simplest, and there’ll be asked, we’ll complain when they’re kids.
Jerry: 31:51 They will become, they’ll come, there will be approached to a coach, to volunteer, do something and they will give any kind of excuse what they have going on in their life of their jobs, what have you. But yet when it comes time to where they see their kid didn’t get into or they only play hockey is the best cause you go in there for 45 seconds shifts. You know, I heard one son didn’t, he only skated three minutes. He told the coach or he texted the coach, couldn’t even tell him how to text him that if he, uh, if his son was going to play three minutes, he wasn’t gonna drive an hour and a half to the game anymore. And this was a travel high level of travel league. These are the best kids playing. You think about that. Now you have to worry about this kid not coming because the parents just gave you a text. He didn’t play enough.
DJ: 32:34 I don’t know how coaches can get a, and you can deal with it. I don’t know how…
Jerry: 32:37 It made me not want to coach. I did that for Richie when I coached him and the other parents get involved. I got disinterested. I just walked away cause yet they didn’t want to do it. But yet when they seen I was doing something they didn’t agree with, they let me know. It just got real frustrating. So I could see where the coaches, would just walk away, not want to participate.
DJ: 32:54 I was reading an article in Forbes. Um, they were interviewing Justine Guber who actually wrote an article who, uh, exposed Tressler and she got harassed by fans and Ohio state, but she, she wrote a book
Jerry: 33:07 That’s a good example,
DJ: 33:08 oh absolutely. But she wrote a book and they asked her, what she thought the absolute worst was. “I actually think the worst fans of all, maybe youth sport parents who threatened refs, berate their children and occasionally, let’s fists fly. When parents exhibit poor sportsmanship on the sideline, they teach their kids to follow in their disgraceful footsteps. If parents are raising the next generation of sport fans in their own shadow, it doesn’t bode well for those who will be sitting in the stands and the coming years.”
Jerry: 33:37 She’s 100% correct because it has gotten worse over the years. Back when you and I were little, we played nothing like that. Nothing.
DJ: 33:46 You know your parents yell, but we’d Never, I’ve never been in fistfights. I mean,
Jerry: 33:49 and they wouldn’t yell at the coach.
Ryan: 33:51 Cheering, you know?
Jerry: 33:52 Yeah,
Ryan: 33:52 certain levels of that,
Jerry: 33:53 but they wouldn’t threaten the coach if the coach cut them. Heaven forbid if they cut the kid these days. Now the parents are going to walk through the coach, how could you cut my kid. He’s better than that kid. We got cut and we would man up. Don’t cry over it and try again next year.
DJ: 34:08 I remember getting cut from basketball. I had no business being on the team. I got cut. I told my dad, our dad either try better next year or don’t play anymore. He didn’t go get in coach Taylor’s face. He just let it go.
Jerry: 34:22 Well, that’s the whole point. Back then it was a different culture. I mean, heck, at that school, we’re talking about, Sister Veronica was the principal, and I remember my first day when I went in there, she had that uh, paddle, the oar, above her desk and she made it clear that she hated any water up activity whatsoever. And it wasn’t there for a canoe. It was discipline. Now they say that now they could have a social worker calling them going to that school and they’ll be suing them. Now one of them, that school is open anymore, but if it was that oar would not be up on that wall anymore, times have changed. I think you brought up PC.
DJ: 34:57 Well, we came, we went to school at the very end of corporal punishment, especially in the Catholic school we went to. I remember when we first got there, the teachers were still flicking the kids in the back of their ears to get him to pay attention.
Ryan: 35:08 Wow
DJ: 35:08 Oh yeah. Yeah. So I mean, we but that was at the very end of it. It sort of went out two or three years later and that you never saw that anymore. But that was a very different generation. They believe that that’s what it took to make kids better.
Jerry: 35:24 But that article is correct. It is getting worse because the kids that were raised that way back then have now turned in 10 times worse to where it’s leading to threatening the officials following them to their cars. Other parents, if they, the kid did some what they perceive to be a dirty play. It’s really chaos.
DJ: 35:40 Well she’s right. It doesn’t bode well for future generations. What are they going to do?
Jerry: 35:44 Only going to get…
DJ: 35:44 It’s going to get a hundred times worse.
Jerry: 35:45 It’s only going to get worse until they realize someone realizes that’s got to stop. And it’s only a game. It’s just like you said, it’s a game. Someone’s got to lose. But yet when they walk into this game and they’re so villa(fied), they have to get their anger out cause they lost. Not Realizing someone has to lose it. Someone has to win. But in this case, when I went to the Lions game, they had still won and they still berated me. So didn’t even matter if they won or lost it. The alcohol took over and because I was wearing the opposite colors and even then the Lions never won a damn thing and yet I got to berated. These guys were cheering for history losers and I’m the one that’s in idiot.
DJ: 36:19 I think it boils down to emotionalism.
Jerry: 36:24 That’s what it is.
DJ: 36:24 It hurts to lose, it does it always hurts to lose, but the rational people are nonemotional. They’ll take that loss as a lesson and say, what can I do to improve? What type of, what mistakes I make and how can I win next time? It’s the emotional ones that say, no, my kid can never lose my kid can not be hurt that way. He must be coddled. He must be always given a trophy.
Jerry: 36:45 Correct.
DJ: 36:45 Coming up
Jerry: 36:45 and that’s where it starts and like that lady writes, it’s going to get worse until we realize again, get the emotions out. It’s only a game. I don’t see that happening anytime too soon. I see sports radio getting bigger and bigger and even more. Even Superbowl, we talked about it earlier, there’s super bowl parties now. People aren’t just watching the game. They’re going for the party and the commercials.
DJ: 37:06 Ryan, do you ever go to a professional MMA or UFC? Have you ever seen?
Ryan: 37:09 No, I never been to a UFC, but I mean I’ve been to like pro leagues around here and stuff.
DJ: 37:14 How are the fans in they’re…?
Ryan: 37:17 Intense, you know, but it’s, uh, I, I mean I could even take it at like the UFC level where you saw um, like Conner McGregor and stuff, you know, he had like the Irish fan base and stuff like that and like
DJ: 37:30 once it got alcohol and feuls
Ryan: 37:31 true. And like I remember it was probably Rogan and talking about it, but, um, it was one of his fights. Uh, what, whenever he won obviously knocked this guy out or something. But like they were just talking about how, because it was in Vegas and like, they just had all these incidents of people like his fan base just going nuts. Like they just sort of just destroying hotels, just like, you know, because they’re so happy he won this big fight that was going on and it was just all Irish people because for Conner McGregor, they just showing you like even for a win, you know fans can still get crazy and
DJ: 38:10 well you bring up the foreign influence. What about us soccer or football? I mean those,
Ryan: 38:17 That’s what I thought.
DJ: 38:17 Those guys when I only get rowdy,
Ryan: 38:20 How many hooligans kind of stuff?
DJ: 38:21 Exactly
Jerry: 38:22 how many times have we’ve seen a ref chased after the game was over and the fans were so pissed because they whatever lost that game. And the guy in the Yellow Jersey, the ref is running out and the kid the are chasing him? Look soccer, I’m talking to the world soccer and I, I don’t like watching it. But those fans, those guys take it to the even next level,
Ryan: 38:43 Yeah
Jerry: 38:43 which I have in here.
DJ: 38:45 What’s your adding, especially when it comes to like Olympic and world soccer, you’re adding nationalism to it. So if your team, if France loses to England, there’s a lot of history involved in that.
Ryan: 38:54 Yeah
DJ: 38:54 So you’re adding to it, besides the alchohol.
Jerry: 38:56 I see what you’re saying, but this is like the, uh, I don’t know the leagues, the Italian league, the European League, they’re not, it’s not a country based.
DJ: 39:02 You brought up World
Jerry: 39:04 Correct
DJ: 39:04 That’s why I brought up the Olympic style.
Jerry: 39:05 I remember a Brazil player who wasn’t for a world competition. He got killed because he missed a penalty shot. They shot them, they killed them. The fans shot the guy. I can’t, I don’t have, I didn’t look that one up. I probably should have. But those soccer fans, they take it, what we’re talking about to a whole other level. Scary level. I mean, I’ve seen fireworks go off in the stands in England because Liverpool lost, it was just one big fight, if you recall that or not. It was a couple of years ago and they just went crazy. Something happened with a ref making calls and they set that building on fire. It was in the stands that a couple of people got trampled again. They take it to a whole other level.
Ryan: 39:42 Yeah
Jerry: 39:42 It is very crazy.
DJ: 39:43 Well, back to the MMA. Do they, do the fans themselves because we’re talking intense fighting,
Ryan: 39:49 Yeah.
DJ: 39:49 Do they?
Ryan: 39:50 It’s way more personal too because I mean unless they are like, and I haven’t seen him at these like UFC levels so it’s more or less a lot your friends and family and like your gym and stuff that’s going to probably be there to watch you and like, you know, vice versa with your opponent. So you know, and this goes with like uh, different backgrounds and stuff with um, you know, people just have giant families so they’ll have like hundreds and hundreds of their family members there. So you know, they don’t want to see this fight or lose in any way or get hurt even though that’s what it is. It gets, it just gets, it can get, I’ve seen fights break out
DJ: 40:30 So it does happen?
Ryan: 40:30 Oh, all of the time.
DJ: 40:31 You bring up the families or the gyms, those are tiny nationalities.
Ryan: 40:36 Yeah.
DJ: 40:37 It’s not a nation state, but it’s still a tiny, I don’t want to use tribe but it is a group.
Jerry: 40:43 I think that is a family, They’re close
Ryan: 40:44 Yeah
DJ: 40:45 Once again that’s another nationality,
Ryan: 40:46 The gyms are a lot better at it because they understand it as a sport and then it’s like, unless it’s a really messed up call, you know, some coaches and trainers, you know might get in a ref’s face or something, but it’s like more or less you lost, you lost or you won, you won. And they’re like, all right, let’s move on from that. So, but like families and like friends kind of usually don’t get that. That’s like kind of a vibe. What I observed in those situations, they think and even the guy gets like totally ko’d and lost like 100%
DJ: 41:17 The reason I even brought up in the first place was, MMA style fighting is intense. And you would figure that the flights would break out in their stands instead of at a baseball game.
Ryan: 41:27 Yeah
DJ: 41:28 But that’s, so that’s why I asked the question
Ryan: 41:30 Yeah, I’ve seen, I’ve seen fights at fights.
DJ: 41:32 Yeah.
Ryan: 41:33 Oh yeah.
Jerry: 41:33 I believe it, but I just, it’s violent to begin with.
DJ: 41:36 They think they they can fight, right? Is that what it is?
Ryan: 41:39 Yeah. You know, and friends talking crap to each other.
Jerry: 41:41 But these guys are trained. I mean they can do some stuff, you know, like kicking and stuff,
Ryan: 41:44 But these are the people that aren’t special.
Jerry: 41:47 That’s what I’m talking about.
Ryan: 41:49 I’ve seen Mom’s throw down. I’ve seen girlfriends like,
DJ: 41:51 it’s prevalent in all of society. Doesn’t matter what the sport is.
Ryan: 41:54 Yeah. It’s all the same thing. It comes down to,
Jerry: 41:57 well, most of the time they feel they were ripped off. Whatever reason they lost or their team, they’re choosing for fight or choosing and for lost for whatever reason,
Ryan: 42:04 Yeah
Jerry: 42:04 the ref did something wrong. That’s why it’s bad to be a ref now and I’m
Ryan: 42:08 I’d hate that job.
Jerry: 42:09 Yeah, exactly. Most of the sports that can baseball, we’ll go to computerized referees. I think that see that coming because
DJ: 42:18 I don’t know how you can do that in MMA, could you?
Ryan: 42:21 I mean, I don’t see how you could just do that in general. Like I mean obviously
Jerry: 42:27 In baseball could be done. It could be. Absolutely.
DJ: 42:29 If you watch baseball? They got the box now on TV that says strikes
Ryan: 42:32 Yeah
DJ: 42:32 It shows you where the ball went. If you have a real time computer, there was someone sitting there and they could, instead of being behind the plate, they can be sitting in the stands saying yeah they’ll just strike that was a ball. So it’s possible in baseball, maybe football. I just don’t understand how it would be. And I mean even in tennis you see the computers, you see the, where the ball hit outside the line. So even it’s possible there. I just don’t know about wrestling or MMA or those type
Jerry: 43:01 boxing
DJ: 43:02 Or boxing, yeah.
Jerry: 43:02 I don’t know how they could do it? I’m sure they’d find a way. But yeah I don’t even football,
Ryan: 43:06 Yeah, I don’t see it
Jerry: 43:06 hockey, I don’t see how they could do it. But baseball. Yeah cause I also, there’s something they’re trying to design in the cleats and the basis where they have sensors. So the tag outs and stuff to where you don’t need a human being to actually be there. It’s all computerized. My question just
DJ: 43:20 so they’re going to riot now because of the computer?
Jerry: 43:22 I was just,
DJ: 43:25 the robots have taken over
Jerry: 43:27 and I was just going to bring up that they call that third strike and the robot called it cause it hit that millimeter on the outside plate. That player is still gonna throw that back at whatever camera,
Ryan: 43:36 Oh, yeah yeah
DJ: 43:36 but we’re talking emotion. I think this, I really do. The problem is
Ryan: 43:41 of course it is
DJ: 43:42 Instead of being rational beings were being emotional beings.
Jerry: 43:45 I also think, I don’t want to blame money, but back in the day there wasn’t a lot of money in these championships. Now there’s just so much money. These guys feel I’ve lost millions because you, you took it from me.
DJ: 43:58 Is that an emotional reaction or rational one even though it’s about money
Jerry: 44:02 it’s irrational, but I think the emotion comes in and they’d lost millions of dollars cause
DJ: 44:07 It’s still an emotional reaction.
Jerry: 44:09 Well back in the day Al Kaline turn a million dollars down. There wasn’t a lot of money in these championship games and what isn’t a big deal. He did it for the love of the game.
DJ: 44:17 I think that’s the love of the game, I mean, if you really love the play, the money doesn’t matter as much.
Jerry: 44:20 How many players and today play for the love the game? They get,
DJ: 44:26 I can’t think of one
Jerry: 44:27 in basketball it’s the worst. But because, uh, the ceiling next year for the salary cap is going to be enormous to where you got bench players make an astronomical salaries. It’s not like that in baseball only the few, but in basketball, yes. And then if they win that, yeah, they get more bonuses. They go through and these guys are saying, I mean the funny part was Deion Sanders. Now this is all funny, but it’s kind of like where the money comes in and emotion when they go to the all pro bowl. Okay. That was when I go to the Superbowl, they go down there and Deion Sanders or was, he goes, after the first few times I realized, I told my wife I got their pro bowl was like, ah, the inlaws are going to want to come in my family. So he go down there and it’s in Hawaii and then in the third quarter, that’s just a fun game. The third quarter guys, we have to win. I need that 60,000 to pay for my inlaws who just came down. So it boils down to that bonus for winning the, and the NFL is the worst all star game of all the sports. But now all of a sudden it gets competitive because the inlaws came and he does. He has to spend that check. So it’s money, the emotion, okay.
DJ: 45:27 I think I can come up with one person who does play for the love of the sport. Detroit fans are going to hate me for this one. But Sidney Crosby, he took way less, way less than he could take. Uh, as far as market value goes
Jerry: 45:41 in the same argument, Yzermanwas the same way. I mean, I, I put
DJ: 45:44 Yzerman play anymore,
Jerry: 45:44 Right But I would put them, I put them to there though
DJ: 45:46 the point is they’re there, but they’re rare. And if we were more like him and the fact that we get an emotionally attached to money,
Jerry: 45:56 I agree. But most of the people, I’ll go out on a limb and say 75% are like Antonio Brown, give me the money
DJ: 46:06 I’m saying there is the rare instance where there is one or two that
Jerry: 46:10 and because you didn’t vote me most valuable player, I’m Outta here. This is my team anymore. I think a lot of the people are going that route
DJ: 46:17 Isn’t this emotion? So I think…
Jerry: 46:19 I was just going to say is that emotion
DJ: 46:21 people are using their emotion more than reason.
Jerry: 46:22 Keep your emotions in check and realize that when you lose the sub will come up tomorrow you go back and get them. You don’t have to get mad at the opposing team because you lost, I mean again, Ohio state fans when Urban Meyer and that whole thing was going on about the coach who was beating his wife, they gave every excuse. They were willing to accept this guy now because he was a great coach. You know, you got to come down and say, no, we don’t want that. See you later.
DJ: 46:47 This is going to be high level philosophy, so, it’s time that people get bored now, but I think it’s, this is a result of the postmodernist philosophy where it’s anti reason, anti science, anti renaissance, anti enlightenment.
Jerry: 46:57 It’s all you’re hearing in the news today. It’s just what you just said. It’s everything everywhere
DJ: 47:00 We live in a postmodernist philosophy world and that most people don’t even know what the hell I’m talking about. If I said it to them, they wouldn’t even know
Jerry: 47:07 and they just turned off the show because you said that
DJ: 47:10 well, they may have, but what it is is what I just said, it’s anti reason and what we talked about today was anti reason. It’s all emotion reason doesn’t come into play whatsoever. If I say how important philosophy is, you live your life by a philosophy. Your only choices which one.
Jerry: 47:28 I agree. So at the, I think we’ve got to get it in check and we got to get a reign our emotions in and take these losses a little bit better.
DJ: 47:34 I totally agree. Totally agree. Well, and you listened to the Grand Designs Podcast. I’ll let you, uh, know one more time. Uh, you can get in touch with us at granddesignspodcast.com. Our email is grand designs at Yahoo, garnddesignspodcast, sorry, @yahoo.com. Uh, Instagram is @granddesignspodcast and you can follow us on Twitter at granddesignspod, granddesignspod. This is the Grand Designs Podcast. Who are you listening to?