Jerry: 00:20 This is Grand Designs Podcast with DJ and Jerry Grand, where we link the chains of reason of sports, politics and culture.
DJ: 00:36 Welcome to episode 17 of the Grand Designs Podcast I’m Dj Grand. And I’m here with my brother as usual.
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DJ: 00:44 Jerry. And also hopefully for the whole time, Ryan, this week.
Ryan: 00:47 Yeah. Hey, how’s it going?
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Jerry: 01:17 And the first one we’re going to talk about is the NFL in the 1983 draft. Just to give a real brief update or to bring everyone up to date at the ’83 draft, it was the greatest NFL quarterback draft up until this current time. And this should go talk about Dan Marino and John Elway, mostly Elway who called his shot like Eli did that he was not, he was the number one pick overall consensus and the Indianapolis Colts or that the time Baltimore Colts had that pick and Elway made it clear he was not going to go to the Baltimore Colts. So the NFL did their deeds to keep, make sure Elway would have to go to the Colts. Elway actually brought in a bid that he was going to play for the Yankees because he made it clear he wasn’t playing for Baltimore and he thought that they’re going to hold their guns, they’re going to draft him anyways, which Baltimore did. And he was going to the Yankees. Now, Elway and Dan Marino had the same agent Marvin Demoff and he kept some very, very detailed notes. And these notes that I’m reading from are from that and an ESPN 30 for 30 is called Elway to Marino. Now, during the draft, early in the day, the Raiders were involved. What they thought they had was a trade with the, uh, the Bears, the Raiders, and the Baltimore Colts. And what it was, the Raiders thought that they had a deal in place acquiring the rights to Elway. The Raiders saw it. They were going to get the Chicago bears number six overall pick and flip it as a part of a package to then Baltimore colts for Elway. Again, who went first overall and was threatening not to play and play baseball for the Yankees. The Bears would have parted with three first round, with their first rounder in exchange for a player from one of two lists. Now this was the key. They gave one of two lists. There was A list and a B list. A list was Howie Long, Ted Watts or Mike Davis. They get one. The B list was Vann Mcelroy, Ken Hill or Jeff Barnes. They get to pick one from each of those lists plus the first round pick. It was a done deal. They’re actually reporting it. Now this is Marvin Demoff talking. The next thing I know, I’m being told that Don Weiss of the NFL office was high ranking executive, senior vice president called the Bears to confirm whether it was true. Then the deal vanished. All of a sudden it was off. And the Ex, uh, strange, excuse their calling the Bears rather than the teams with their business wherever they want to do it, the Raiders and the Bears said they had it confused, the Bears thought they would get all six players, not one from each list. Now that’s a little bit strange. After the deal was already made saying one from either A or B,
DJ: 03:55 it’s also a lot
Jerry: 03:56 But Denmark brought up, if that was the case, why would there be an a and a B list? It was off six players. Okay. The League obviously orchestrated this whole thing because they were not going to let the Raiders, who I should have said in the beginning, who’s owner, Al Davis was suing the NFL and Pete Rozelle at the time. So they’re going through a lawsuit about moving to from La to Oakland. They were in LA at the time. So Al Davis was away from the draft cause he’s suing and Rozelle upset with the Raiders. They’re not going to let Elway go to the Raiders at no time. So there’s where I’m going to basically say that that that was a conspiracy that the NFL was controlling where they were going to let, they were deciding where Elway went was going to go. Elway was not going to tell them. Now with Dan Marino, he was more or less, he had a great junior season with Pittsburgh. He had a drop off the senior season but still ranked as one of the best quarterbacks, a pocket passer in that draft. But the NFL put out some bogus rumors and Ron Wolf, who was the GM of the Raiders, basically said Marino wasn’t on their board because of those false drug rumors. They interviewed Marino’s roommate. He wasn’t doing drugs well then why would Marino drop to 26 overall for the Dolphins,? Basically he was, Dan Marino was picked number one for the LA Express for the USFL. As a kid, he was just going out to a judge at Bikini contest and went to the press conference where they announced him as number one pick and not to sign a contract. Just went there and appeared and almost like to promote the USFL. NFL didn’t like that, so his stock plummeted and then he drops down. Tony Eason was drafted above him. All because of false rumors.
DJ: 05:36 Not just him Kenny O’Brien. There were a few.
Jerry: 05:38 Jim Kelly, but you know, some of these guys were good, but Marino and Elway were the top of the class. Nothing like
DJ: 05:42 Marino should not have been the last quarterback picked in that draft. There’s no way.
Jerry: 05:45 And there was even one where he, Pittsburgh had a shot at him and the Pittsburgh actually said, no, we’re going to move on because Danny, you should or you shouldn’t be at home. Now, the Pittsburgh owner, Rooney, okay. His son was now talking about his dad who is in heaven and his son, basically, your Dad was at the end of his life during this draft and he said, Pick Marino and dad passed away before the draft and he even said, I keep hearing that, “pick Marino”, and they basically, why would the Steelers who, that’s a hometown boy now they use the excuse now we had Terry Bradshaw, he had plenty years. Marino was not going to sit and wait. He had to start right away. Bradshaw broke his leg, the next year and was done.
DJ: 06:25 Didn’t he still wait a year with the Dolphins?
Jerry: 06:28 No, Marino came in right away while he waited like six games. Woodley played six games and then Marino came in and took it and just took off, you know, and he literally had a mission. He made that clear he was going to prove the NFL wrong. Oh my whole point is this, this conspiracy here for the NFL draft and 83 was absolutely a conspiracy against Al Davis, Marino and Elway. They orchestrated all three to literally tell them now Elway ended up getting where he wants to with the Broncos. He wasn’t going to the colts and that’s a whole other soap opera in itself, but still the league had their hand in that draft. So I’m going to say yes. That year there was a conspiracy that I’m going to hold true in 83
DJ: 07:05 although that’s not the only conspiracy from the NFL. Um, this is from 247sports.com and it’s the 14 biggest NFL conspiracy theories that may be true. Uh, number 14 as the league, it’s fixed period, go home, go big or go home. Teaches the old adage. So we’re ending with the top NFL conspiracy theory. We could find the websites. The fixes in is run by Brian Tohuy, he’s an author and over the years claims sports league such as the NFL can fix the outcomes and shore up too. He has adjusted parts of every week in the NFL season are controlled by individuals who aren’t playing the games and has offered explanations on his theories, on his website, in books and during media appearances. Is the NFL truly no different from any primetime drama you’re watching or given TV series? Are the outcomes of the NFL Games as scripted as a WWE matches.
Jerry: 08:03 Yes. I’m going to say that’s true and I’m going to use a Tom Brady rule. There are still some Oakland Raider fans, including Jon Gruden, who’s upset about that to where Jerry Rice makes it clear. Who was on the Raiders that they stole his Superbowl ring at the time replay was three minutes after three minutes? It wasn’t conclusive. You go back to the original call; it took like nine minutes. And what? Uh, at the time, I don’t know who was a, the Commission before Roger Goodell in between Pete Rozelle, Paul Tagliague. He basically got on the phone and said it’s the Tuck rule and the head Ref said there is no tuck rule, There will be tomorrow. So I agree with that guy. It was scripted. That was called out. Absolutely. He’s onto something there.
DJ: 08:45 Number 13 the NFL hides or a hid concussions. The perception is that the NFL didn’t want to lose fans who no longer wanted to watch such a dangerous sport and also concern parents would, upon learning such information, prevent children playing in a game that could ultimately prove to be fatal years down the road.
Jerry: 09:03 That’s happening right now.
Ryan: 09:04 Is that like the concussion movie, is that?
Jerry: 09:07 Yes, that is CTE. Correct. There are people that are on the air or sports personality saying, I will not let my kid play football unless the kid wants to, but they’re going to steer them away.
DJ: 09:18 Well, the point of this particular theory is that the NFL blatantly
Jerry: 09:22 that’s I’m going to, yes, because they did. They did. They didn’t want it. That movie that Ryan’s talking about. Explain just that.
DJ: 09:29 Uh number 12 is the NFL hides performance enhancing drugs tests. The idea is that the league’s happily publicize suspensions and other punishments for certain athletes who fail tests while at the same time sweep it underneath a figurative rug if a major sports superstar gets popped for violating a drug policy, it is after all a little weird and all time popular athlete almost never gets caught cheating in such a matter during the prime of his career.
Jerry: 09:58 Again, I’m going to agree, but that’s the fans’ fault because in baseball it’s a cardinal sin, but with football, no big deal, these linemen, they go through a beating defensive linemen. They need that to survive. So yes, I’m going to give that one to.
DJ: 10:10 Number 11 Russell Wilson’s super bowl interception. It’s years after the fact and it makes zero sense that the Seattle Seahawks elected to pass the ball from the one yard line late in their Superbowl 49 contest versus the New England Patriots. The Patriots secured a victory after quarterback Russell Wilson threw an interception in the end zone and multiple conspiracy theories are born. One theory involves Seattle running back. Marshawn Lynch, Marshawn Lynch, sorry. Who could’ve been an MVP candidate had he scored the game winning touchdown from the goal line. Lynch had a history for giving non-answers during interviews, particularly during the teams media day leading up to the Superbowl 49 and the theory is that the NFL wanted Wilson to throw a TD, so he would be more of a media darling in the eyes of some and not Lynch would win the MVP.
Jerry: 11:01 I’m going to disagree with that one because, uh, they, there’s no way the NFL got into the play calling and the made that mandate because how do they know it was going to be at the one yard line at the end of the game? Uh, yes, there was a weird call, but that’s hindsight. Um, I think from what I heard, Darryl Bebo was, offensive coordinator and he thought that they were thinking the defense run with Marshawn Lynch. So they threw the past instead think, obviously they were wrong because they were thinking pass, but that one I’m going to disagree with.
DJ: 11:29 Number 10 Lights out at the Superbowl. The Baltimore Ravens jumped out to a 28, six lead over the San Francisco 49ers in the third quarter of Super Bowl 47.
Jerry: 11:39 Yes, the Harbaugh bowl,
DJ: 11:40 probably leading some viewers to seek out other programs before the lights at the Superdome went out. The power outage interrupted play for over a half an hour and it gave the niners and opportunity to regroup. San Francisco embarked on a rally that came up just short, but the with the Ravens winning 34 31 couldn’t quite, couldn’t quiet some conspiracy theories that claimed the plug had been pulled in the effort to keep the fans tuned in and to stall Baltimore’s momentum. Baltimore Linebacker, Ray Lewis even stated that he thought it was a bit strange that a zillion dollar company would experience such a technical failure on the organization’s biggest night of the year.
Jerry: 12:19 Who would the Zillion got a company be?
DJ: 12:24 Zillion, there’s no such thing. But yeah, I think he meant the NFL,
Jerry: 12:27 he’s making a mistake there because they don’t control these stadiums electrical circuits. That’s on the stadium itself.
DJ: 12:32 Well you can even say that the Superdome is who runs it.
Jerry: 12:35 They may be, they may be. That’s a city. Whoever owns it because they’re leasing it to them.
DJ: 12:39 Maybe they’re in on it.
Jerry: 12:40 Well yes, but with any, again, why would they be in on it? Cause it was a Baltimore and San Francisco. New Orleans wasn’t even playing again that I’m going to just basically disagree, but look, momentum did change. But with any stoppage in baseball, you have a rain delay, the pitchers, a delay will change any games momentum. Now it does look a bit odd during the Superbowl it went out. I agree, but a coincidence, I don’t think that’s a conspiracy.
DJ: 13:05 Number nine. I think it’s more of a myth, cultural myth. It’s Jimmy Hoffa remains being in the uh, Giants stadium,
Jerry: 13:14 That’s just folklore and let’s, yeah, let’s just, so let’s just go over that.
Ryan: 13:17 You never know, you never know
Jerry: 13:17 That’s kind of funny.
DJ: 13:19 Do you think so?
Ryan: 13:21 Just playing devil’s advocate.
Jerry: 13:23 We won’t know until they demolish the New York Giants stadium.
DJ: 13:26 I might as well read it. It says, depending on how you view things, this may be more of an urban legend than a conspiracy theory. Jimmy Hoffa, the famous alleged mobster disappeared in the summer of ’75 and it was suggested for decades that Hoffa’s remains were buried underneath the west end of the Giants stadium in East Rutherford, New Jersey. This was never officially confirmed or denied. But what helped explain why the New York jets and New York giants decided to build the new Metlife stadium right next to the old complex. There’s nothing special about that location. And getting to and from of the stadium could be a pain for fans if they’re driving or using public transportation. Is it possible that certain people have something to hide?
Jerry: 14:04 Look that’s not a conspiracy. We already laughed about that. So the dude who actually killed them came clean before he died in prison. They went to the Detroit House, found Hoffa’s blood DNA matched it up. So that’s my true.
DJ: 14:14 Number Eight Super Bowl 50 effected by the officials. Uh, the thought had by some conspiracy theorists, not to mention pockets of Unhappy Carolina fans, is that the outcome of the game was fixed. So that Manning, one of the League’s most beloved players could retire as a champion, had referee Clete Blakeman to the ere of panthers fans when his crew made several game altering calls against the Panthers, such as ruling Jericho’s Cochery’s first quarter catch for first down and interception and then holding up the rule and despite a challenge and view evidence that Cochery had caught the ball before going to the ground and also completely missing the Bronco’s quarterback to Talibs, a cornerback, sorry, Talibs going offsides on the Graham Gano field goal that the kicker end up missing.
Jerry: 15:03 Yes, that’s absolutely I would agree cause that the NFL officials, as we talked with the NBA officials can dictate the game and that was one that was very, some really weird calls with Superbowl and correct. There was a a replay that was clearly the evidence wasn’t there, but yet they still went the other way.
DJ: 15:20 Number seven, the Colts tanked. The perception at the time was with the colts adopted a suck for lock mantra. Sound familiar with lose for Hughes and tanking the 2011 season in order to require yet another franchise quarterback. What’s ironic is that this was, is that Manning proved he had plenty left in the tank as he set records and also won a Superbowl with the Denver Broncos.
Jerry: 15:43 Okay. No, that’s not true because Manning went through a neck surgery right before that and he was out. This is the infamous Jim Caldwell year, where the year before Caldwell had the Colts. He went to the Superbowl with Manning, uh, lost the Superbowl and then the next year, Manning had the neck injury. They were out, uh, he was out for the whole year. Painter was a quarterback. They went 3 and 13, so it had nothing to do with lose for a (Luck). It was just, they were horrible with a Painter as the quarterback, and just painted itself that way. So that was not true.
DJ: 16:14 Number six, it’s the first of a few New England Patriots Deflategate, one of the strangest football stories in recent memories involved none other than the New England Patriots. The conspiracy theory regarding the 2015 AFC championship game is that New England quarterback, Tom Brady, knowingly played with under inflated footballs. Breaking the league rules in the process to gain an unfair advantage over the Indianapolis Colts that Patriots routed the Colts 45-7 making it seem as if Brady could have used beach balls and easily won the contest. Nevertheless, the NFL pursued punishments for Brady and the Patriots for over a year and Brady serves a four game suspension at the start of the 2016 season.
Jerry: 16:54 Uh, I don’t want to say conspiracy theory, uh, the New England Patriots flat out cheated. Yes, they did. That was, they did. That’s not a Conspiracy theory. Brady’s guilty. Guilty as charged, shattered his phone, took them years to prove it at him, going out and arguing and this is what we were talking about, New England fans and happens anywhere in the country. They’re all over prosecute that guy but sense it was Tom. No, no, no. He didn’t break that phone. He was getting a new one.
DJ: 17:18 I’m not disagreeing with you. However, it still would be a conspiracy theory or cause a Brady denies it and so does Kraft and the New England Patriots.
Jerry: 17:26 I understand that, but with that organization, they’re known cheaters so it just plays into the NFL conspiracies. They cheated and got caught with other videoing stuff. So no, that’s not going to be conspiracy. The New England Patriots are cheaters.
DJ: 17:40 Number five is Superbowl III where the Jets earned a surprise victory 16-7 over the Baltimore Colts. Why would this game been fixed in favor of the Jets? Former NFL player Bubba Smith once suggested that the outcome of the game had been rigged because the league wanted a New York team to win the high profile game to raise interest in pro football and also the league wanted a former AFL team to finally win the biggest contest of the season after AFL sides had been dominated in the first two Superbowls showdowns.
Jerry: 18:12 Only because the AFL was about to go bankrupt. I think of that. But you were saying earlier and because of that they’re going to go bankrupt. Uh, I can see it that the NFL would get involved in that. Look, we just got done talking about the Carolina Superbowl where they, the NFL referees for mandated for calls. I can see that happening there.
DJ: 18:32 Number four, Spygate II uh, as sports reporters working for Toronto Mail and Globe suggested that the New York Giants somehow managed to intercept radio transmissions from opposing sides during the 2001 NFL playoffs. That, per the piece, help the Giants notch post season victories over the Philadelphia Eagles and Minnesota Vikings. It was a little odd, if not suspicious. The Giants managed to destroy Minnesota 41-0 en route to earn an a birth in the super bowl. And such allegations looked even worse when the Giants loss of Superbowl 34-7 to the Baltimore Ravens.
Jerry: 19:09 Do you think it’s unethical to steal signs in baseball? Catcher signs, coach signs?
DJ: 19:16 Yeah,
Jerry: 19:16 you do?
DJ: 19:16 You’re stealing now it’s not, it’s not the same as stealing a base because that’s in the games.
Jerry: 19:21 I get that, I get that. But watching the coach and their signals are easy. You figure it out that this means it’s still
DJ: 19:30 That’s different than intercepting the transmissions. That’s a whole different argument. That’s apples and oranges.
Jerry: 19:35 If they’re listening into the play calling you 100% correct, but if there, I thought it was picking up their signals,
DJ: 19:41 intercept radio transmissions
Jerry: 19:43 Then, yeah, that’s, there’s something wrong with that. Cause that, that’s then both teams should have the availability to listen both ways. So yes, that would be no wrong.
DJ: 19:52 Uh, number three is Spygate I. The 2007 videotape and controversy regarding, once again, the New England Patriots alleging recording defensive cultures on the New York Jets may in fact have been worst than we originally knew. According to an ESPN report released in 2015, the Patriots may have recorded more than one team and it’s also claimed that the Patriots sent undercover advanced scouts to obtain information on upcoming opponents.
Jerry: 20:18 Again, it’s not a conspiracy. The Patriots are cheaters.
DJ: 20:22 So?
Jerry: 20:23 No, they’re cheaters.
DJ: 20:24 So that could be true.
Jerry: 20:26 It could be, but they’re cheaters.
DJ: 20:28 Here’s, uh, the last, uh, New England one and it’s number two. Tom Brady’s concussions were hid during the CBS morning show interview that occurred on May 17th. Tom Brady’s wife claimed Brady had a history of concussions and also that Brady suffered a concussion during the 2016 season. The Patriots never posted any Brady concussion on official injury list during the campaign, which has raised eyes among observers and those who feel the Patriots have violated other NFL rules over the years. In fact, Brady has never been listed as having a concussion throughout his pro career.
Jerry: 21:01 We’ve established a New England patriots are going to violate NFL rules whenever they feel like it. Let’s just talk about the concussion thing. Years ago, eight years ago, you were laughed at if you came off the field and said, coach, I’ve got a headache. One of the coaches tell you?
DJ: 21:17 Rub it in the dirt get back out there.
Jerry: 21:18 Get your Ass back out there, correct. You play, you play the, I don’t want to hear about it. It was a man thing. You’re not tough. You’re all, all, all the, all these names to make you a girly type figure. Hold on. Did Brady even say anything is it documented? Did he let the team know? Did they hide it? I think Brady himself knew full well. If he mentioned he’s going to get pulled and he didn’t say anything. So I mean I know I remember, Gisele, Brady’s wife saying these things, but why her why isn’t, why didn’t Brady tell the team? Did He tell the team? It’s not known. That’s what I did in this time of it’s changed with the concussion. They have a spotter now the NFL, if they see symptoms, they get pulled because of just this where the players admitted I played three seasons and a super bowl with a concussion because they weren’t going to tell, I don’t think Brady…I think Brady is just as guilty as anyone else there. Again, the Patriots are cheaters. I think Brady just didn’t want to let anyone know.
DJ: 22:08 He just wanted to keep playing. I don’t blame him on that.
Jerry: 22:08 Exactly. So that’s what, that’s what I conspiracy. Yeah, that happened but…
DJ: 22:11 Okay. The number one conspiracy for the NFL. Or theory is the Browns tanked in 2006, The Cleveland Browns, built a lack luster roster before September, 2016 and that squad loss 15 straight games en route to finish in the year with a 1-15 record. Despite the franchise’s worst ever season those running the Brown’s decided to retain the coaching staff and the team’s front office. The idea behind this conspiracy theory is that the Browns went all in on losing and tanked an entire season in order to acquire the first overall pick of the 2007 NFL draft. A selection the Browns spent on defensive and and top tier prospect, Myles Garrett.
Jerry: 22:51 The problem I had with that is Myles Garrett hasn’t turned into this stud that people thought he was going to be to where now if they did tank it, they tanked it for the, they didn’t get anything so they could have tanked it, but that’s Today in Detroit. We talked about this. The fans of Detroit wanted the blinds, a tank it let they were promoting tank it for the best. Pick number one pick a better pick.
DJ: 23:13 Well that’s a gamble. I mean just saying, I mean Jack Hughes for the NHL could, I mean he’s going to be good, but it could end up getting hurt and it can be a bust.
Jerry: 23:21 Huge gamble. That’s why I don’t, I’m not sure if it’s a league conspiracy or teams are doing that now. It is a strategy to tank it to get the number one pick. But is it going to work? Is that pick on a pan out? Look, they got Baker Mayfield too that year. They had two first round picks. So I mean there’s another reason why they tank it when they got to picks? They got theirs and somebody’s from a trade. So I don’t know. I think that Browns just were horrible. They’re terrible.
DJ: 23:47 Okay, well we’ll move on from the NFL to the NBA and we’re going to stick with just the lottery because there’s a lot of conspiracy going with the past lotteries for the NBA, including this year’s. And then there’s eight top and this is from the NFL draft flattery conspiracy theories. And this is from SBnation.com
Jerry: 24:04 Do you mean NBA draft lottery?
DJ: 24:06 I’m sorry, didn’t I say the NBA? Okay. NBA draft lottery. Yes. Number eight. Uh, no Zion for the Big Apple. Uh, the NBA manufacturers, so much drama by having the Pelicans, Grizzlies and Lakers jump into the top four while still keeping the carrot on the string for Knick fans. If number one goes to the Knicks than everyone goes about their day. It was expected. Knick fans are happy and the NBA keeps spinning. Now there’s any number of possible scenarios and they all benefit the NBA. If the Pelicans Trade Anthony Davis to the Knicks, then New York gets its star and the big market dream for the NBA is achieved. If the Pelicans build a super team around Davis and Zion than the NBA gets one of the biggest local markets to have a can’t miss team. And according to ESPN and ABC’s top 10 highest rated local markets, New Orleans is number three.
Jerry: 24:59 Well, I, well, what I understood what I was told New Orleans is not a place that players want to go to and play. Zion didn’t want to go there. He didn’t want to get drafted by it, but the Knicks in this case screwed up because before the draft even happen, they made an announcement. If they get the number one pick, they’re trading it to the Pelicans from Davis. So they made their card already known what they’re going to do now. Yes, the Pelicans the first time ever, they had a 6% chance to get the number one pick and for the first time that low of a percentage actually got the number one pick. Conspiracy? I don’t know. Does the NBA want Zion, a once in a lifetime talent to be in New Orleans? That’s a guy you want in New York. Now New York got the number one pick. I’d say conspiracy.
DJ: 25:42 That was the argument. They have one of the strongest, the third strongest local markets. So the, and the NBA would want him there wouldn’t, wouldn’t hurt them and it would help them.
Jerry: 25:50 Pelicans are about to move. They’re being sold.
DJ: 25:53 Again, they first came from, um, uh, Charlotte and then went to New Orleans to New Orleans, and now they’re gonna move for a third time or the second move.
Jerry: 26:01 Yes. Did they come from Seattle? No. No. That was the Thunder. But you’re correct. Yes. There they’re talking about moving again and the owner of the, I think the Saints owner owns the Pelicans. It’s not a draw. I mean, the market may be there. It’s almost like the Miami Marlins down in Florida. They’ve got a market, but nobody comes. So again, you want Zion, and there’s a reason why Anthony, David doesn’t want to play in New Orleans. It’s not because he’s not making money. The guy’s making 26 million a year.
DJ: 26:28 It could because they weren’t good.
Jerry: 26:30 They no See, that’s just it. They were competing for the playoffs until he came out. And this is where the NBA gets, they never should have said this, but he came on and said, I want to be traded. Now when you say that you make the demands, I’m done with you. I’m a free agent. I’m not reupping I’m leaving. Now, that team wants to trade you, right? So, they put them out, they made him sit. We’re not going to get you hurt and NBA made a call. You must play Anthony Davis. So, they got involved there. That’s what brings a whole conspiracy thing to me. Maybe true.
DJ: 26:57 Number seven, the Chicago Bulls land their home town star in 2008. The Chicago Bulls weren’t down on their luck in any stretch by the time the 2008 NBA draft lottery rolled around. But this also presents a unique opportunity for the NBA to pull the Bulls had languished with two playoff accents and clearly missed one superstar piece to get over the hump. Derrick Rose gave the NBA the opportunity to intervene and solidify the future of the once proud franchise rose. A Chicago native had slotted himself as a top pick along with Michael Beasley and OJ Mayo. However, as a draft drew near many believed roles was going Number one. The Bulls were in need of an upgrade at point guard from Kirk Heinrich and this was the chance to kill two birds with one stone from the NBA’s perspective. Chicago had just a 1.7% chance of landing the top pick and it was enough with the leagues help of course, according to this conspiracy theory.
Jerry: 27:48 That makes perfect sense because Chicago being a big market, the NBA is an awesome marketing juggernaut. So yes, they would do everything they can to get Rose to go to that for that reason. So yes, I, that would be, I would agree with. And the NBA’s known for conspiracies to.
DJ: 28:06 Number
60 Orlando Magic. Uh, the year’s 1993 and Shaquille O’Neal, he 20-year-old
phenom, a cruise to rookie of the year honors posting 23.4 points, 13.9
rebounds and 3.45 blocks a game. A season that regarded as one of the best
rookie years in (NBA) history.
Uh, the Knicks, the NBA knew that they
had met. They had a mega superstar on their hands and sought to get him to
Jerry: 28:41 Now who’s that? Um, Shaquille O’Neal or Penny?
DJ: 28:45 Shaquille O’Neil.
Jerry: 28:46 He went to the Lakers though. But no, I understand it. I get that whole thing. But Shaquille O’neil came out and on the NBA again. Yes. This is Tim Donahie with the referees and market and calling the game to make sure the market team. Orlando Didn’t win that do they win the championship that year? Because the minute they, I thought they won. He went to the big time with LA and that was just the LA scene.
DJ: 29:09 So we’ll let me finish. Hold on. End of the 1993 lottery draft and the Magic come on the table, which is a 1.52% chance of landing the top picks thanks to their 11th place, finish the magic when the lottery of course trade. Ah, Chris Weber, who was the biggest draw, uh, that year to the Warriors on draft night for Penny Hardaway and three future round, first round picks. O’Neill and the Hardaway went on to form one of the most exciting tandems in 1990s both making multiple NBA All Star Games and leading the Magic to the playoffs for three straight years, including the finals in ’94 ’95 I don’t think they won it.
Jerry: 29:46 Yeah, I bet that wasn’t enough. That conspiracy, because Webber, he was a trade commodity that they, they could, they weren’t going to have Weber and Shaquille O’Neal and the same lineup. So they traded for a guard Penny Hardaway and yeah, that will, yeah, obviously that was successful. No, that’s not a conspiracy.
DJ: 30:00 Number five Ball is a lifeline for the Lakers, uh, that we’re talking about Lonzo ball and with some grand prize worth rigging the lottery over. But this isn’t the story of the UCLA point guard going to Los Angeles the key players in this conspiracy where then coach Luke Walton and executive Magic Johnson, both of whom predicted their top three pick was stunning accuracy. In a classic case of saying the quite part loud, the quiet part, loud, sorry, we’ll Walton appears on the CBS sports “We Need to Talk” and outlined straight faced how the Lakers were going to get their top pick to build for their future.
Jerry: 30:38 Yeah. But I think, uh, Ball’s father had a lot to do with that too, which is sad to say. But being in another large market, Los Angeles, I could say yes, that’s a conspiracy.
DJ: 30:47 Well they’re saying because he came up before the draft and said we’re getting it for sure. There’s a conspiracy.
Jerry: 30:54 Magic Johnson was a fined for tampering cause of that to know so that cause yeah, I can see that.
DJ: 30:59 Number 4 the Cleveland Cavaliers. Incredible luck. No team in the NBA has benefited more than from the league guiding hand and the Cleveland Cavaliers and 2011, 2013 and 2014 the Cavaliers unpredictably landed the number one pick in the draft over this time. They never had the worst record in the league. In 2011 the Cavaliers get number one in the lottery, thanks to having the Clippers pick a 2.8% chance. In 2013 they get number one in a lottery with a 15.6% chance and in 2014 they got number one in the lottery with a 1.7% chance, which means two of those three years, it was below 3% chance to win. The raw odds of this happening is 1,493 to 1. So improbable it functionally shouldn’t happen. And yet the Cavaliers kept doing it again, again and again. After James Left, the Cavaliers were in dire need of a new superstar and the NBA was there to give them an opportunity. Time and time again. In April, 2019 the Cavaliers had a 50 50 coin flip against the Suns to determine which team would officially received a pink Paul combinations for the second worst record in the NBA. They won naturally.
Jerry: 32:16 I want to agree. That was a flat out conspiracy. It was ridiculous. Now, for all the time that the Cavaliers, that was just ridiculous. I’m going to agree for them to win all of (those) picks, although the thing is they didn’t do anything with those picks. They just won one championship that was at the comeback. So, but yes, the league had their hand in on that.
DJ: 32:34 Number three is Mutombo Knows Best. The Philadelphia 76’ers had the best chance of landing the number one pick on lottery night, but by this point we’ve seen time and time again that luck means nothing when it comes to landing the pick. The sixers had a 25% chance of getting the first pick, but this came after several years of the Cavaliers somehow jumping the worst teams in the league. So there was no guarantee that 76er’s would pick number one and yet one guy knew. At 4:36 PM Mutombo tweeted, “Congrats to the Sixers on grabbing the number one spot in the #NBAdraft.”
Jerry: 33:13 What time was the draft?
DJ: 33:15 It was after that time.
Jerry: 33:17 Then there you go.
Ryan: 33:18 Wow
DJ: 33:18 Then they remark, it was timestamped thinking on the tweet.
Jerry: 33:22 I think that that, that kind of proves it right there. I kind of think that all these conspiracies now, the drafts are true because that right there tells you he knew. How would he know? Come on now.
DJ: 33:32 I totally agree. Number two Stern makes up for trading Chris Paul in 2002. Uh, this is kind of a long one. So, George Sinn is one of the most notorious owners in the NBA history. Once the king of the queen city Sinn, or maybe it’s (pronounced) Sinn, brought the NBA to Charlotte in 1987 after buying the rights to start a franchise leading through creation of the Charlotte Hornets. Just over a decade later, he was in the middle of a public trial for kidnapping and sexual assault, which led to the public finding out of Sinns, extra marital affairs, withdrawing from the public. Sinn decided to move the corner to Charlotte to New Orleans and this decision, some believers caused by public scrutiny in Charlotte. Despite the Hornets, it’s still pulling some of the best attendance figures in the NBA. Sinn found a new home for his team. Things were decent for New Orleans Hornets for the better part of a decade. The team and a few payoff burst hosted an NBA all-star game and thanks to superstar Chris Paul look to anchor their team for its future than Sinn expressed his desire to sell the team, a your dollar road and a collapsed deal later, Stern announced Lakewood purchased the Hornets for 300 million and sure up financial solvency and the health of the league as a whole. The League owned Hornets decided to trade Paul after the star demanded a trade out of New Orleans and part and put the team over a barrel. The initial deal for the Lakers with vetoed by Stern citing that it wasn’t in the team’s best interest. Four days later, New Orleans agreed to a deal this and Paul to the clippers bolstering the underperforming the Los Angeles team and increasing its worth. Meanwhile, the Hornets got back a to two second round picks the Timberwolves unprotected first round, Eric Gordon, Chris Comon. It was also a potential upside for the deal, but it was aged terribly. In retrospect.
Jerry: 35:20 I’ll make this quick. That was the most crooked as thing ever. I remember Stern taking over the league, took the team over and that was the worst trade. No Owner, general manager would have made that deal. Stern did that for the reasons that you just cited there so you don’t able to say yes.
DJ: 35:36 And the last one also includes uh, involves Stern, uh, number one David Stern rigs in 1985 lottery. The year in 1985, the first time the NBA decided to hold a draft lottery to determine the number one overall pick the Forum in New York City is buzzed and the league just secured a new broadcast agreement for the draft with the TBS superstation and the Knicks were sitting on the third worst record in the league. Everyone knows the Knicks were supposed to get a high pick, but the pressure is still on. The Warriors and Pacers still had worse records but represented much smaller markets compared to New York. Stern’s knows the Knicks have to land the number one pick. Now I’m going to prove the concept of the NBA draft lottery and the unpredictability that can anything can happen, but ensure that Georgetown standout. Patrick Ewing can anchor the Knicks and the NBA’s Premier Market for the next decade. In 1985 there was no weighted lottery. Each of the seven teams in the NBA was given an equal chance to land the number one overall pick, giving each team just a 14.29% chance of being able to pick Ewing. Rather than using the standard lottery ball system as it eventually would. The league put large cards into a tumbler, spun it around and stone would select one to be the top pick. It’s here where NBA’s two prong plan springs into action to separate attempts to raise the lottery. One desired result. Over the years, people have argued for each theory, but it could be that both were done simultaneously to hedge Sterns bet. First of all, the next envelope of refrigerated, making it cool to the touch. This attempted to make the card stand out amongst the rest, making it easier to select. However, the plan was risky under stage lights and with the possibility of time delay, there’s a chance the envelope would heat up rendering the process meaningless. So stern had the help of a secondary source. Jack Wagner, a partner of the accounting for Earnest and Whitney placed the envelopes in a drum and conspicuously having to bang one of them on the lip of the vessel denting the Knicks envelope.
Jerry: 37:35 Yup. That’s 100% true. I Remember watching those drafts with the tumble, the Bingo Tumbler and the cards? Absolutely.
DJ: 37:41 Not done yet though. Hold on. Wagner is a real key to all this because he was the league’s fail safe. If Stern couldn’t select the cold envelope, he instead looks for the creased corner knowing that it was the Knick’s logo. Need more proof. Ernest and Whinney where the accounting firm of Gulf and western industries guest who was a prominent owner of the Knicks in 1985? Gulf and Western industries.
Jerry: 38:04 There you go.
Ryan: 38:05 And I thought we didn’t land on the moon.
DJ: 38:09 (Laughs) Yeah. Good point.
Jerry: 38:15 Just do the top three NHL ones and then the major league baseball. Same thing do the top three.
DJ: 38:20 All right. We can do that.
Jerry: 38:21 Because these conspiracies, I mean look pretty much we’ll all discuss. There’s a few that are just coincidence, but most of them, yeah, they’re true cause these leagues they understand. I think they’re marketing geniuses.
DJ: 38:32 Well, let me do my lead just on the titles of I’m willing to. 15 I think it’s so doubtful the NHL All star game is rigged to include black players. I totally disagree with that.
Jerry: 38:41 The NBA,?
DJ: 38:45 NHL, I’m sorry, all star game is rigged and PK Subban is, he’s good. There’s no, he deserves to be in the all star. I think that’s just so dumb.
Jerry: 38:51 I agree.
DJ: 38:52 But one here. This one I want to go into number 14 Janet Gretzky. Gambling allegations was a coverup for Wayne. Janet Jones is an American actress, was known for roles in dance from way. She appeared in many big screen films, work out films and a TV commercial. She also maybe the world’s greatest hockey player. Wayne Gretzky. During this time, a half dozen in 2006 during this time, a half dozen NHL players were among the people who are implicated in a sports space gambling ring allegingly financed by Phoenix Coyotes assistant coach and I think that was
Jerry: 39:23 Tochett
DJ: 39:23 Rick Tochett. Yes. At that time, the Coyotes general manager and Gretzky’s former agent admitted to placing a bet on a super bowl through Janet, Ms Gretzky released a statement claiming she did not place the wagers on her husband’s behalf and is fairly suspicious that Janet was placing bets in a gambling ring where a bunch of NHL players got implicated. Although she says she did not place on his behalf and majority of people think it was odd that someone like her would participate in such activities.
Jerry: 39:51 You know, I was trying to figure it out. How did this make it, but yet Jordan didn’t make it in this draft lottery? I just figured it out. But Jordan was in the same thing. He was a suspended from the League for gambling, which is why he went played baseball.
DJ: 40:05 Actually
Jerry: 40:05 just covered the whole thing up, which is the same thing here.
DJ: 40:08 If I have time to bring up that is one of the conspiracies in the baseball one.
Jerry: 40:13 Yeah. So that makes sense. But yeah, that’s true. I mean I completely, but that was a conspiracy.
DJ: 40:18 Number 13. The NHL is bailing on the 2018 Olympics or bailed, uh, to protect team Canada because team USA was looking so good.
Jerry: 40:26 No, no.
DJ: 40:28 The 1999 Stanley Cup winning goal. Do you remember this one with Brett Hall and he was supposedly inside the blue paint.
Jerry: 40:37 If you go by the rule up though the law. The rule. Yeah. He, that he was in the crease.
DJ: 40:42 Number 11 was Wayne Gretzky’s traded to Edmonton. That that was rigged from Edmonton to Los Angeles.
Jerry: 40:47 Here we go again with the league knowing full well and after that trade happened, American hockey just skyrocketed and the league knew that that’s what I’m going to (agree). It could be very well true. Absolutely.
DJ: 40:56 Number 10 is totally doubtful. That goalies are paid to fix games that they can let uh, uh, a goal in easily. I think it’s highly doubtful.
Jerry: 41:04 Well that’s point shaving. So No.
DJ: 41:07 Number nine, I think it’s true. And John Scott being in the all star game, he did not deserve to be in that year. He even got traded and it put down into the minors and he still ended up in the All Star game.
Jerry: 41:17 I’m not going to put a as a conspiracy. That was the fans being stupid. The fans picked him.
DJ: 41:22 Yeah, I agree.
Jerry: 41:24 It’s not a conspiracy. Idiot fans. Okay, next.
DJ: 41:26 Uh, the NHL playoffs are rigged to keep big market teams in longer
Jerry: 41:32 Yes, I’m going to say absolutely, that’s how they make their TV money.
DJ: 41:35 Uh, number six is the, the draft lottery is fixed by the NHL.
Jerry: 41:40 We see all these lotteries. You got people now in Detroit that want the NFL to go to draft lottery because of the intense, the emotion involved. And if it doesn’t mean if you tank it, it doesn’t mean you’re going to get the number one pick.
DJ: 41:51 Everyone gets a chance.
Jerry: 41:51 They want the NFL with the Superbowl champ to have a 1% chance to win that lottery and get number one pick
DJ: 41:57 Number five. I totally believe, Canadian teams get calls in their favor to boost playoff ratings. Totally believe that.
Jerry: 42:03 Yeah. Okay.
DJ: 42:05 Number four, NHL All Star selection is rigged by the league to make the game more fun.
Jerry: 42:11 No, because as the big joke right now, as far as that game, you had Roeneke checking somebody in the all star game. That’s a really just a or offensive skill game. No.
DJ: 42:20 Okay. Now there was a top three. Number three the Pens won the lottery for Sid Crosby so they could stay in Pittsburgh.
Jerry: 42:27 Oh God. On the be very strange about the Penguins like the Cleveland Cavaliers got all of these top three picks, Fleury, Malkin.
DJ: 42:35 Wait a minute. They were really bad those years and Malkin, they were actually that year they were the worst and didn’t get the top pick because the topic that year was Ovechkin and the Penguins got Mulkin as number two
Jerry: 42:47 So the Cleveland Cavaliers, they were always bad too.
DJ: 42:50 But if you’re going to last placed team,
Jerry: 42:52 We discussed this with the Cavaliers.
DJ: 42:53 If you’re the last…Without the lottery, if you’re the last place team in the league you would get number one and the penguins were the last place team in the league
Jerry: 43:02 but if I’m not mistaken with Crosby, Doug Mclean, I could have it wrong here. I know it was McClain. He was a former Red Wing coach was the coach of the Columbus Blue Jackets. They had the worst record that year and they were pretty much thinking they are going to get Sid the Kid save Columbus to bring them…they were an Expansion team. Why wouldn’t cross we go to an expansion team? The NHL is not letting that happen. That was the next one. So it was next to Pittsburgh. I bumped that from day one. Never liked that from the beginning and you conveniently cause the Pittsburgh Penguins got and it was all of a sudden legit. But that’s true.
DJ: 43:35 Number two referees call penelties to make games more exciting or don’t call them.
Jerry: 43:39 We’ve already discussed that in a previous podcast and I’ve, I, I brought up an NFL referee telling me they have directives, so there you go.
DJ: 43:47 Wait a minute. Let’s talk about this year’s playoffs with San Jose,
Jerry: 43:51 San Jose.
DJ: 43:52 I think if San Jose pulls out again, they’re down now three games at two to Saint Louis. If they pull this out, there’s no doubt in my mind that it’s rigged because…
Jerry: 44:02 Ever since Karlsson got hurt, they’re not going to win. But you are a hundred percent correct. For those that don’t know, a hand pass in the offensive zone is a no goal. And for four refs not to see it, and for 45,000 people to see it, that’s a flat out absolutely 100%. They were done. Because the rule is if no ref sees it, you can’t review it. So 100% yes.
DJ: 44:23 And number one, I don’t think it’s a conspiracy theory at all. I think it’s the truth teams tank it to get high draft picks “Lose for Hughes”.
Jerry: 44:29 No, no, I’m not a conspiracy. You have that in Detroit to where we discussed the value of losing is higher than winning.
DJ: 44:36 So that’s the, uh, the NHL ones. And now the conspiracy theories for the MLB baseball, uh, number 14, Cal Ripkin delays the game to hunt for Kevin Costner. Apparently, the theory is in August, 1997, well after breaking Luke gears, consented game streak in oils game was cancelled because Cal Ripken Jr wasn’t going to make it. The reason Ripkin was out on the hunt for actor Kevin Costner, who had slept with Ripkin’s wife while staying with Cal and his wife when the hall of fame, shortstop found him. Ripkin supposedly punched Costner and the face breaking his nose.
Jerry: 45:13 Yeah, I heard that. But that’s what I conspiracy cause it happened. But I don’t know about being conspiracy. I mean that really happened.
DJ: 45:20 I don’t, I’m just reading off that these are from the sports, the sportster.com from 2017. Number 13, this was what the Tigers, Prince Fielder was traded to the Tigers because his wife slept around number.
Jerry: 45:35 I’ve heard that.
DJ: 45:35 Number 12, Kevin Mitchell, um, harmed his girlfriend’s cat, which, oh, well,
Jerry: 45:41 wow. A cat.
DJ: 45:43 Number 11, Tommy Lasorda traded Glenn Burke because he was gay.
Jerry: 45:47 Now, look, Lasorda, that wasn’t, I’m going to say he did that, that’s not a conspiracy. That guy was old fashioned. He’s like Steinbrenner, no facial hair, haircut. And if you didn’t get it, the only one that Steinbrenner let go was Catfish Hunter. And, um, who was the other a Goose Gossage. Those guys got to have facial hair. Nobody else did. So, I’m going to say that that actually happens. It’s true.
DJ: 46:08 Number 10, the Yankees conspired against A Rod’s contract and attempt to get out of it.
Jerry: 46:12 Absolutely. 100%. Once he was, uh, came up, the steroids is in the contract they went against to actually nullify that. So that’s again, not a conspiracy because it happened.
DJ: 46:19 Number eight on major league baseball blackballed Barry bonds in 2007 after, once again, the Balcho incident.
Jerry: 46:26 Absolutely.
DJ: 46:28 Number six, flu like symptoms are actually hangovers.
Ryan: 46:34 I could see that.
DJ: 46:36 I totally agree. Number 4 the juice ball theory at times where major league wide offense was wide on offense was down, including the 1960s in mid 2010’s The baseball allowed balls to be juiced. There’s also theories that the ball was used following in 1994 strikes shortned season to revive interest in the sport.
Jerry: 46:56 They’re saying that this year too, because all the home runs are up. So that’s not a conspiracy.
DJ: 47:00 Number three, David Robertson even make conspired and Derek Jeters final home game and directing you with final home game. September 26 2014 gain closer. David Robertson intentionally grooved pitches to turn a 5-2 lead into a 5-5 tie and the bottom half of the ninth Orioles reliever. Even Meek then intentionally allowed Jeter to hit a walk off single given the Yankees six five win.
Jerry: 47:27 Wow, I’m going to kind of hard for Robertson to do that. And then to have the, all those to blow it like that and to grove those pitches. A, I don’t know, but.
DJ: 47:37 Number two, the Marlin’s man is working with major league baseball, which okay, so he is.
Jerry: 47:41 No, no, no. Actually, he got kicked out of the Marlin’s. Jeter said, we don’t want you go away. We’re not going to give you a season tickets. We behind our plate go where your Marlin’s Jacket in Chicago. So know that that guy, just an entitled jerk. I don’t know what he does, but he thinks he has a right to every stadium behind the plate in his Marlin visor and jacket. That guy’s a jerk.
DJ: 48:04 He goes everywhere. Not just…
Jerry: 48:05 That’s the whole yes. And he thinks he actually applied to every stadium in the league to be behind the plate because he is known as the doctor behind the plate. He is entitled to. That guy’s just a complete psycho. So, No.
DJ: 48:18 Okay. Number one, Babe Ruth’s called shot and the theory is, and game three of the 1932 world series New York Yankees outfielder, Babe Ruth pointing to the right field seats at Wrigley field and promise to hit a home run there and response and Taunts from players and fans. On the next pitch, Ruth hit a home run to the exact spot.
Jerry: 48:36 Now the film footage is, uh, all kind of splotchy and you know, black and white, they actually showed it. He never pointed that actual game, that actual bat. They brought it up, the actual, I mean literally, and they even stopped it to, again, there’s a film was very shotty. The year was what 1913?
DJ: 48:54 1932
Jerry: 48:54 “32. Okay. It was very shouty and you’ve, what you’ve seen was like a little bit of motion with his bat to point in the right center, but he never literally one, it says that he took his fingers up and point. He never did that.
DJ: 49:05 Well, according to this, uh, we know that Ruth pointed, but we don’t know what he was pointing at. And this is from Babe Ruth’s own 1948 autobiography. “While he was making up his mind to pitch to me, I stepped back again and pointed my finger at those bleachers, which only caused the mob to howl all that much more at the time a Root, the Cubs pitcher, threw me a fastball. If I had let it go, it would have been called a strike. But this was it. I swung from the ground with everything I had and I hit the ball with every muscle in my system. Every sense I had told me that I had never hit a better one. That as long as I live, nothing, whatever, feel as good as this.”
Jerry: 49:47 All right, Babe Ruth was the biggest baby. Everything had to be to his attention at his time. Uh, they’ve been played a joke with a Lou Gehrig was a rookie. They told him to go up and touch his bet, you know, and when he did that Ruth, Oh no no, don’t touch the Babes Hickory. I just want rub for some a luck. He went off on Lou Gehrig for touching his bat. The guy was all about me. Again, I saw that footage. He didn’t point his fingers, if anything, it was his bat. So I can see Ruth saying that’s, yeah, yeah, I did it because I am the Babe. Just like he was telling Gehrig, the right field seats are mine. It’s a teammate on your team and he just yelled at you for hitting a home run for your team and anyone in the park, but right field. What’s that sound like to you? That guy exactly. He can see he just agreed with that to make his image even better, period.
Ryan: 50:33 I think he saw an alien
Jerry: 50:36 pointing toward that saucer. Right?
DJ: 50:38 That’s where it was. Um, I guess that’s the list of the conspiracies and some of them true some of them, not just going over them.
Jerry: 50:47 If you have your conspiracy that you’d like to weigh in on, let us know. Get a hold of us.
DJ: 50:50 Well, thanks for listening to the Grand Designs Podcast. Once again, I want to tell you, you can find us on and subscribe to us on iTunes, Facebook, SoundCloud, iHeartRadio, Spotify, Stitcher, Patreon, of course at the PodcastDetroit.com, and you can go to our website GrandDesignsPodcast.com for the podcast, transcripts and the blog. This is the Grand Designs Podcast. Who are you listening to?