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DJ: 00:32 Welcome
to the Grand Design Podcast, episode 20. Uh, I’m DJ Grand and I’m with my
Jerry: 00:49 Greetings,
DJ: 00:50 uh,
today we’ll basically be revisiting an issue wee did an episode seven, we’re
going to be talking about equality in sports. Uh, firstly let’s talk about
dodge ball and how it’s supposedly dehumanizing.
Jerry: 01:02 Yeah,
that’s a little bit on the inequality. And I don’t know how in a sport you can
have equality, uh, be at dodge ball or any sport because if everyone’s equal,
no one’s gonna win. The score’s going to be tied. And then there’s no
entertainment. And what’s the point of playing? Uh, but the dehumanizing part,
I think they’re coming from, and I’m going into the Dodgeball movie, which is
hilarious, where they pick on Winston. And he actually says, remember, kids
pick the most smallest. I can’t quote the actor when I the worst, most
whatever, unathletic kid. Uh, and pick on them, make sure the other team picks
them. And then they show Winston with a pair of glasses getting just pulverized
with the ball and he gets the kid who threw the ball gets, you know,
congratulations. So, they’re saying that’s dehumanizing to Winston.
DJ: 01:43 Well,
a short sidetrack right away. I used to do that in baseball. I used to identify
the worst, the weakest link out in the outfield. I’d try and hit it to the right
Jerry: 01:53 We
were taught in CYO when you up to the bat to aim the bat back of the pitcher,
like it was coming right back at him.
DJ: 01:59 So,
I kind of works in other sports too.
Jerry: 02:01 Yes.
DJ: 02:01 Well,
anyways, as far as the, uh, to put this in context, this is from the Blaze from
June 12th, 2019, “When you’re setting up an environment for students to
learn and you introduced the idea that it’s okay to slam the ball at whomever
you like, even if it’s with a soft ball. The intention is there,”
according to Joy Butler, who is a professor of pedology and curriculum
development at the University of British Columbia. She goes on, “When
students think it’s okay because they’re being told it’s okay to do that. What
do they learn? People say dodge ball being used as an outlet for aggression or
catharsis. I suspect that this is where they’re learning it. Physical Education
class should be an arena where teachers are helping students control their
aggression and move on instead of expressing themselves in anger” unquote.
Jerry: 02:51 The
problem I have with that is I’ve always been taught, and I tell others that
there’s a lot of relations to sports in life. And dodge ball, if you get
knocked out, if you get slammed or you get hit in the face, it’s just the
reason, you know, to get back up again and don’t quit. Just like in life,
you’re going to get smacked in the face. Only in life. It’s a lot harder than
dodgeball. I mean, you think about it’s a game. You get back up, winners and
losers, you’re still alive. Uh, but there are some tragedies that’ll come in
life that you’ve got to learn to cope with and get over. And I believe, really
truly believe that playing sports teaches you that whole, it’s always said that
this is life. This is not football, this is life. So she’s completely
incorrect. I mean that’s just well as you would say psychobabble.
DJ: 03:31 Well
yeah. He goes on. And uh, in the same article he finishes out, by a annilating
ones opponent and the quote “athletic and authoritative students ran the
show when it comes to rules and tended to create their own teams and which
allowed them to gang up on other students. The message is that it’s okay to
hurt or dehumanize the other. The competition is about annihilating ones
opponent. And the true definition of competition is between two evenly matched
teams while kids stack their teams and they really enjoy beating up on the
other team. What’s the enjoyment of that?” unquote.
Jerry: 04:05 Look,
I always enjoyed it at first cause I was little small growing up, uh, not getting
picked. And then it was basically showing them what a mistake it was and that I
was actually good. And then the next time I got picked. So you’ve got to go out
there. If you really, that bothers you and you want to get picked, you’ve got
to improve, you’ve got to go out and practice, you’re going to take some lumps.
So again, and you can’t have no, an even team is not a good game because again,
everyone’s equal. There’s not going to be a winner. I mean, I get good games.
There are classic games, but that doesn’t mean both teams are even most of the
time, um, the actual winner takes nothing to better team loses.
DJ: 04:40 Sometimes
that happens. I think they’re using the wrong term by equal. I think there
wasn’t really mean is parity, which is…
Jerry: 04:45 No,
I agree in the NFL strives for that for, so everyone’s team has a chance to
win. But at the end of the day, what they’ve been striving for parity and the Patriots
winning so many, has there been parity?
DJ: 04:58 Well,
you can’t, in an ideal world. It would get as close to equal as possible, but
that can’t always happen.
Jerry: 05:02 If
it was, if it was though, nobody would win.
DJ: 05:05 Well
from the USA Today, an article by Larry Alex Taunton. Uh, he quotes the Wall
Street Journal’s Jeff Yang once said that dodgeball quote “is a systemized
opportunity for bullies” unquote to target that weak. He further
complained that while headshots were banned, crotch shots weren’t.
Jerry: 05:25 Look
that that happens pretty much every, I want to say every play, but when a
plane, a safety gets hurt, cornerback, defensive cornerback in the NFL, next
play, the quarterback’s going after that person. Going right after him to
destroy him, to humiliate. I don’t know how many times did the announcers are
bringing that up. How was it any different? And this is a professional athlete
being embarrassed, not Winston.
DJ: 05:48 That
reminds me “The Longest Yard” when they let him through.
Jerry: 05:51 Yeah.
DJ: 05:51 And
Burt Reynolds threw it right at him and hit him in the crotch.
Jerry: 05:54 He
didn’t do that again. Did he? He wasn’t the dirty part of that he was before
DJ: 05:59 It
also says, according to Fox News quote, “researchers argue that there is a
hidden curriculum of dodgeball that reinforces the oppression of those
perceived as weaker individuals for the exercise of violence and dominance.
Jerry: 06:13 Look,
dodge ball is no different than any other sport to where there’s going to be a
dominance in a weaker team. And yes, the whole point is, I don’t know how many
times I’ve heard, we didn’t step on the juggler. We left him in the game and
they came back and won the game because we didn’t want to dehumanize or
embarrass’em, they didn’t put there, they didn’t take them out, they didn’t go
out and destroy them.
DJ: 06:32 I
think, I don’t agree with them, but I think their argument is that the weak don’t
have, the nonathletic weak, don’t have the same chance against the athletic
type. Now I was like you, I was always the smallest in the class, but that
didn’t stop me because I was also athletic and I would play the game to win and
I would use the ball as a defensive mechanism. I would block with the ball, so,
I don’t see how, if you played the game correctly, even the weakest, the
smallest could have a chance to win.
Jerry: 07:00 They’re
getting into psychology now to where look at that kid wants to win and he’s
competitive, he’ll go against the better talent because at the end, going
against a better talent, it’ll make him a better player. He may get smacked a
few times, but he’ll block the ball and eventually after a year or two he’ll be
the one that’s being picked and then now he’s the one that’s dehumanizing the
other team. So it’s all about practicing getting better and some people are not
athletic and it takes them time to learn, but anybody wants to learn to get
better that they can. And I think these guys are just arguing for the lazy way
out that they didn’t want to train and they didn’t want to practice.
DJ: 07:34 Um,
this is true. I’m trying to think. I read somewhere that dodge ball was not
even listed as one of the most violent sports. Soccer was ahead of that. I mean
there were, I mean it wasn’t even a top 10 as one of the most violent sports.
Jerry: 07:50 I’ve
seen some very gruesome soccer injuries. So yeah, I could get that. And this is
probably one bit, I don’t think dodge ball is even in the class of a contact
sport. You catch the ball, you get out of the way. Cannot have a problem?
DJ: 08:06 I
agree. And this is sort of like making everyone wear a helmet when they ride a
bike. It’s not always necessary.
Jerry: 08:11 Again,
no, I completely agree. And I think this is just again psychobabble about dodge
ball and it being dehumanizing. It’s a game. It’s like kickball. We played
kickball a lot and you can kick the ball off of someone’s face. How’s that any
different? Instead you’re using your foot, you’re not throwing it.
DJ: 08:28 No,
I agree. The point of the game is to win and that is what it should teach them.
Teach them the skills necessary to win.
Jerry: 08:33 Phys
Ed class, from what I remember, it was more for exercise. It wasn’t about
winning or losing. Yeah, it’s natural. I don’t care how you bring up kids. Kids
are going to go out there and they want to compete. They want to win. They want
to be the better one in any sport. They want to impress the teacher, impress
the girl. They’re going to go out there and compete and yeah, there are going
to be weaker ones. And they’re going to just have to learn. And in life, I
mean, how many times have you heard about the geek who was in school and got
picked on is now Bill Gates in a billionaire 10 times over. So where’s the
DJ: 09:03 You
can’t have total equality.
Jerry: 09:05 I
know, but this guy wants a quality in dodge ball. Where’s the quality of
DJ: 09:10 Well,
when we were growing up, we were in different classes, but in my class at Our
Lady of Grace, when there was clearly a weaker team, the actual male gym
teacher played on that weaker team and he was throwing strikes. I mean, don’t,
we’re talking hard strikes. So, he kind of evened up that way. So there are
ways. I’ve even seen on YouTube that there were, um, students versus teacher
dodgeball. And I’ve seen those teachers actually whipped the ball towards them.
Jerry: 09:38 Even
in my class, I get it. That it’s a way to take out anger.
DJ: 09:42 Yeah.
So our second point of a conversation about equality in sports goes to, once
again, transgender competitors. This is pretty much what we talked about in
Episode Seven. Um, specifically there was a transgender hurler who won the
national championship and uh, her name was a CeCe Tefer of the Franklin Pierce
University, a college hurdler born male, but now competing as a female who last
month won NCAAs Women’s national championship, taking the 400 meter hurdles by
more than a second. Tefler, formerly known as Craig, as recently as January,
2018 ran with a division two school men’s track and field team Tefler started
going by the name CeCe when competing with the men before transitioning to the
women’s competition and Tefler became the New Hampshire school women’s track
and field champion. ESPN interviewed Tefler on “Outside the Lines”
and she quoted “If anything, me competing against a CISgender females is a
disadvantage. According to her quote, “My body is going through so many
medical implications. It’s going through biochemistry changes. So being on
hormone replacement therapy results in muscle depletion, your muscles are
deteriorating. You lose a lot of strength because testosterone is where you get
your strength, your agility. So, I have to work twice as hard to keep that
strength. If I slack day, then there’s three days set behind so I have to keep
up all my workouts. I can’t drink, I can’t eat unhealthy or else it’s going to
impact me harder.”
Jerry: 11:22 What
you just read it the same regiment for any athlete who trains.
DJ: 11:26 I
absolutely agree and that’s exactly what I was going to say, that it has
nothing to do with her transitioning, that she wouldn’t have to work just as
hard. I guarantee you Michael Phelps, who now for transitioned worked just as
hard if he, would have to work just as hard if he fell behind.
Jerry: 11:42 With
his diet, with his training, with everything that that male said applied to
Michael Phelps, you know, every athlete, those (athletes), especially the world
class athletes and all the major sports, those guys train in the off season,
maybe two weeks off or they’ll get time with their family and their back to
lifting weights, running, whatever it may be for a aerobics to get
their…Basketball players want endurance. Hockey for the same thing off ice
training. That’s such a ridiculous (argument),
DJ: 12:07 This
is also from the Blaze from June 4th, 2019. Uh, “according to the website,
Totalboy Sports, which research some of Tefler’s statistics as a male
competitor. Tefler was an above average male hurdler. But as women’s hurdle are
lower tough learned soon dominated the competition and became the top women’s
competitor in the women’s 55 meter hurdles and the 55 meters sprint. NCAA has a
policy for transgender athletes for years is legal under NCAA bylaws for a
biological male to compete in the woman’s division, if that male has suppressed
his test testosterone levels for one year. A guidance document issued by issue
and published by the NCAA, took the stance that is not accurate to assume that
a male who has transitioned to become a transgender female has an unfair
advantage over a biological woman saying it is important not to over
generalize.” In this instance. I think the NCAA is wrong.
Jerry: 13:03 Oh
absolutely. Cause I was going to say, apparently even with his testosterone
replacement, he still running fast like he did with the testosterone. It hasn’t
really done that much. He’s still, he’s blowing these girls out. It’s like the
DJ: 13:16 To
me, it’s not even a point about running fast. It’s a matter of he now has an
unfair advantage. He still has the bone structure of a male. It doesn’t matter
what less testosterones or not.
Jerry: 13:26 Bone
DJ: 13:28 body
Jerry: 13:29 Correct.
DJ: 13:30 So
I think it creates an unfair advantage when a MtoF, male to female transgender,
competes with biological women.
Jerry: 13:41 I
agree. And that kind of goes into our next one. Where a transgender
weightlifter was stripped of the world record because…
DJ: 13:48 Well
this is from Yahoo! Sports Canada, “Mary Gregory sparked controversy
earlier in May after claiming on Instagram that she had won nine out of nine
events, which includes setting a new Masters Worlds Squat record, OpenWorld
Bench record, Master’s World Deadlift record and Master’s World Total Record.
However, RAW power lifting federation have now decided to take the titles off
the American athlete in a decision that could have huge ramifications for
transgender athletes.” The president of the federation, Paul Bossi, told
Mail Online that “Gregory could not have been considered a female when she
broke the records. It was revealed that the female lifter was actually a male
in the process of becoming a transgender female” Bossi said, “the
rules and the basis of separating genders for competition are based on physiological
classification rather than identification. On the basis of all information
presented to the board of directors for this particular case. The conclusion
made is that the correct physiological classification is male.
Jerry: 14:51 So,
therefore the NCAA is completely wrong.
DJ: 14:55 Well,
absolutely, but this, this isn’t the NCAA this the Power Lifting Federation.
Jerry: 14:59 That’s
DJ: 15:00 Yeah,
I, well, I said that in the beginning.
Jerry: 15:02 If
RAW or if the NCAA used the RAW definition there, the, the hurdle there would
have been stripped of his wouldn’t be allowed to compete. So, then, my question
would be why is one, okay, the NCAA and yet the other one got stripped. That’s
a complete contradiction.
DJ: 15:17 Here’s
what I agree with. A quote from the USA Power lifting, “Men naturally have
a larger bone structure, higher bone density, stronger connective tissue and
higher muscle density than women. These traits, even when we do levels of
testosterone do not go away while m to f, male to female, maybe weaker and less
muscle than they once were. The biological benefits giving them at birth still
remain over than of a female.
Jerry: 15:43 Even
though they’re weaker, they’re still stronger than the females. It’s not that
hard. So for them, I mean I agree with RAW, they shouldn’t be allowed strip.
They strip all the titles and the NCAA should read. They need to read this.
DJ: 15:56 I
totally agree. There was also an angry back backlash from Olympians, Great
Britain Olympic swimmer, Sharon Davis tweeted “any records set by trans
women’s, those born male with male biology and advantages. Should we remove
when all this confusion and unfairness is sorted out”. She called it an
unfair playing field.
Jerry: 16:16 I
wonder how they would feel if Michael Phelps went transgender and competed
against the ladies.
DJ: 16:21 Well,
this particular Mary Gregory is complaining that the reason she got caught was
because they made her take a urine test in front of someone and apparently that
someone saw her penis, if that makes sense. And so she’s claimed she’s claiming
that that’s the reason why it had that not happened. She never would have lost
Jerry: 16:42 So,
she got caught because she pees standing up.
DJ: 16:43 No,
she was sitting down when it happened, but
Jerry: 16:48 that’s
DJ: 16:49 Well,
that’s what she’s claiming.
Jerry: 16:50 Going
into our third topic, and this one is probably the most interesting, is the US
women’s soccer. Now in the beginning here with the whole protests for the
ladies, how they want equal pay with the men’s soccer team, they want to be
compensated in every single way as the men and no, absolutely not. I would tell
any of them, go try out for a men’s MLS team, which is the major league soccer
team, not the Olympic team. If they can, they make it, they can compete and
they get a contract. Great. But they probably won’t because there’ll be
destroyed and if not hurt. So for what they’re asking for, Megan Rapinoe is one
of them is complete equality which she’ll never get because to be equal, she
would have to play with the men. And she’s not realizing that she can’t, she
will get destroyed if she played against, look, the men’s Olympic team hasn’t
been doing very well and the women’s team has, that doesn’t mean the women
should play with the men that they’re better than the men.
DJ: 17:53 I
totally agree. I don’t, I think that will prove that they aren’t equally as far
as on the soccer field, because most of the men would make the team if they
were judged objectively, most men would make the team and very few female
Jerry: 18:05 If
they played a game where the men didn’t feel bad and it was all across the
board competition, you think the ladies team would even stand a chance against
the men’s team? And the men’s team isn’t really good. They’ll get to the men’s
team would destroy the ladies team. So there’s no equality. They can’t be. What
they’re asking for cannot and never will never happen.
DJ: 18:26 Well,
there’s also another issue I want to talk about in terms of Megan Rapinoe and
that is her silent protest against President Trump and the national anthem. I
have no problem with a protest with the national anthem, whether you say it or
don’t say it, if you sit, stand, kneel.
Jerry: 18:45 Where
a hat, whatever.
DJ: 18:46 It
doesn’t bother me at all. In fact, for decades I would not stand for the
national anthem, but not for the reasons she refused to stand. Uh, according to
the Blaze, again, “the star for the women’s soccer team, kept promise to
ignore the celebration national anthem as an f-you to President Donald
Trump.” To me that is a problem. You want a protest, protest if you want,
don’t want to stand or if you want to sit, you want to kneel do it. But to do
it as, as an effort of disrespect is absolutely wrong. And I said this in
episode seven, I think it needs to be repeated. The point of fascism is to make
the masses act as one. What are you doing when everybody in a 10,000 seat arena
stands and sings the same song trying to hit the same notes? It is the masses
acting as one. It is inherently a fascist endeavor and it’s for that reason I
refuse to stand with the masses. It doesn’t mean I’m not patriotic. It doesn’t
mean I don’t want America and I don’t care about America. It means I refuse to
do anything in fascistic, uh, in a fascistic way. That to me is a philosophical
reason not to stand for the national anthem. Saying you want to f you to any
president. I don’t care if it’s Donald Trump or Barack Obama, that is
disrespectful and is wrong.
Jerry: 20:10 I
was going to bring that up because when Obama won, there are a lot of people
who weren’t happy about it and they were told can’t disrespect the office. Got
To respect it. There were some people, some athletes that didn’t want to go the
White House and they were ridiculed for not going to Obama’s White House when
they won championships. Now it’s completely opposite. They’re cheered when they
don’t go to Trump’s, um, parties. And these people now can say f the president,
but we couldn’t say f the President when Obama was in. That wasn’t allowed. It
was, no, you must honor the president. Where did that go? Where did, I want to
ask Ms Rapinoe? Where did that go? How come it wasn’t f Obama but now it’s f
Trump and it’s okay. Eight years ago, couldn’t do that. Why? What has changed
to where she can say f Trump, but I could not say f Obama, Barack Obama.? That
DJ: 20:54 I
believe what has changed is falsely or not, they are assuming that Trump is anti-gay,
anti LGBQ, whatever.
Jerry: 21:05 They’re
just following the press and
DJ: 21:07 The
point is she’s doing it because she’s gay and up that…
Jerry: 21:12 Correct
DJ: 21:12 pisses
her off and she…
Jerry: 21:13 The
press have railed Trump for that reason. So she’s just jumping on that bandwagon
period. End of story. That’s really kind of where she’s coming from and that
gets into the equal pay.
DJ: 21:23 I
think she, she’s continuing on, we can talk about equal pay ina second.
Jerry: 21:27 She’s
DJ: 21:27 I
think she’s, no, she also did it to align herself with Colin Kaepernick when he
did it. Okay, fine. I that kind of a a protest I have no problem with now she
says, she continues to do it just to give a metaphorical middle finger to the
president? And that is where I say it as being wrong.
Jerry: 21:46 That’s
what Colin Kaepernick was doing and giving them a metaphorical middle finger to
Roger Goodell and all the uh, ex veterans out there that, you know.
DJ: 21:53 No,
I don’t think it was a metaphorical middle finger. I think he was actually
trying to protest what he saw. Rightly or wrongly, he saw as inequality in
America, a black oppression, whatever. I don’t really think that was strictly
to Donald Trump. What Megan Rapinoe is doing is directly to Donald Trump. I
think that’s the difference. And that’s why I think she’s wrong in this sense.
Jerry: 22:17 I
would agree with you there.
DJ: 22:19 So,
if we want to go back to the issue of equal pay, um, they did a, Elle, did an
article about Hope Solo and they talked about the equal pay and what went down.
“The 2015 world cup final was watched by a report at 25 million Americans
and remains the country’s most few soccer match, a male or female. But the
tournament also highlighted longstanding discrepancies between the woman’s team
and the men’s. It was played on artificial turf, an undisputedly more difficult
terrain, the natural grass, whereas the men’s World Cup has always been on
grass. When the woman won the team’s bonus was 2 million. In 2014 when the men
lost in the 16th round, there’s was 9 million.’
Jerry: 23:03 I
completely agree, but here we go again. This is not really a hard, they can’t,
they can’t, they are not equal. They cannot compete with the men. They will get
blown away. So it would justify that 9 million from not winning and the ladies
only getting 2 million.
DJ: 23:17 Okay,
well the article continues. It was about hope Solo. “So in 2015 at Hope
solo’s urging the team replaced their lawyer who long represented the players
union with Nichols, known as with a pugnacious approach. Nichols then hired
Jeffrey Kessler and his colleagues at Winston and Strawn as outside
council.” Kessler Handled Tom Brady’s to fake deflate gate just so it’s
known. “Other one of the opening moves, one, his opening moves was filing the
EEOC suit according to Kessler, it is almost classic example of gender
discrimination. In 2016 if women won every one of the require 20 annual
exhibition games, they could make $99,000. If the men lost every one, they’d
still be paid $100,000. And while top female players earn a salary similar to
that of top men, in 2015, hope solo made $366,000 lower tear males could make
10 times as much as comparable to women. This claim referenced the Federation’s
own finance reports which stated in 2015 generated 24 million in event revenue
and 2 million more than the men. The women, um, created that generated to 24
million. So U S S F stated in response to this lawsuit filed in May that the
women received guarantee salaries while the men do not, unlike the women, the men
tend to have substantial professional club contracts to fall back on. The
response also declares that difference in pay are based on differences in the
aggregated revenue, meaning the men’s team make more money, not necessarily
through events, but via sponsorships and TV rights.”
Jerry: 25:01 Hundred
percent, absolutely correct. And again, we’re going to go back to simply look,
ladies, play the men’s team, play him. Then we’re going back to Billie Jean
King and Bobby Riggs. But I kind of think he, he let her win, so whatever, but
that if they play all, all they want the equality, like they say they’re equal
and the men aren’t feeling sorry which to go and be equal now. Get, the men
were feeling bad that they were killing them because the men are giving up now,
so they’re not equal anymore. They will get destroyed. And then, well, that guy
just said there is clearly irrelevant because they’re not equal and we’ve been
about discrimination. People discriminate a hundred times a day. When they got
married, they discriminated when they chose their wife, their partner, when
they go get something to eat at a fast food or a restaurant, they’re
discriminating between…why didn’t they pick the other restaurant. They’re
just trying to see, they’re using the word discrimination. Have you point out
in the wrong context and that’s the problem. They’re not equal. Sorry. As you
said before, where’s the only place where you get a quality?
DJ: 25:53 The
local graveyard where everyone’s equally dead.
Jerry: 25:55 Okay.
Megan Rapinoe. That’s the, that’s the place that when you want equality, if you
want it, that’s where you got to go. Sorry.
DJ: 26:01 Well,
it’s like you said, there’s no way that you can have total equality because
earlier you brought up the results would always be a tie. If it was equal,
there’d be no winners or losers, which once again we get to the participation
trophies, which is the same exact, there’s the equality. That’s, that’s not the
result of it.
Jerry: 26:16 That’s
DJ: 26:18 No,
Jerry: 26:18 So
DJ: 26:19 That’s
what they want, that’s the outcome they are asking for. Whether they know it or
not and may be unwittingly, but that’s what they’re asking for a tie in every
Jerry: 26:27 If
they want to bring the men’s pay down. Then men start tying all the time. The
viewership would go down and they wouldn’t make the money they’re paying for.
DJ: 26:34 It’s
not just men. Every sport they want totally equality in every sport.
Jerry: 26:36 It
doesn’t, yeah. Women’s hockey, men’s hockey.
DJ: 26:38 I’m
going to get back to the Bobby Riggs and Billie Jean King because I don’t think
Billy Jean King may have been the best woman at the time, but Bobby Riggs
wasn’t. I would like to see the best woman play the best man in any sport. I
don’t care if it’s golf. I don’t care if it’s a tennis like uh, Bobby Riggs and
Billie Jean King. Any sport.
Jerry: 26:59 And
DJ: 26:59 Oh,
but you really want, but you really want to see a difference. Let’s look at
Jerry: 27:04 i
was just going to….
DJ: 27:04 I
guarantee you there’s not a single one or very few anyways, there will be able
to compete with the likes of Sydney Crosby or Claude Giroux or I mean any of
the, the great players.
Jerry: 27:13 Watching
a Nhl game than watch a women’s game and you will see how slow and literally
how anti checking the women are compared to the men. It’s not equal. It can’t
be, I mean when I watched the women, the Olympic women and reminds me of men’s
beer leagues, you know, some of the things they do in the size, I mean the
women are kind of our size, you know, there are small, so it’s not the same,
but I was going to bring up the women’s hockey. They’re good players and some
of those games.
DJ: 27:39 I
think the women are great players, but they don’t, they’re not even close to
being equal to the men, not even close as far as athletic sports goes.
Jerry: 27:47 And
put them on skates, the men would just, even though they’re on skates to, they
would just tower over them. It wouldn’t be funny. It’d be horrifying it that
really happened. So again, even for Ms Rapenoe and quality, it can’t happen.
What she wants just will not happen. And I think you had brought up, she’s
looking for an unequal advantage for all this here she wants to gain.
DJ: 28:07 Now
I just want to clarify. In Our world, I think women should have the equal
opportunity to have any job they want. A very wise philosopher once said that a
women should be able to have any job except professional football player or
Longshoreman any other job a women should be able to go after and have. I
totally agree with that. But I’m, I don’t see the kind of equality they’re
looking for on any sports field. It cannot happen.
Jerry: 28:36 Nope.
I agree. And I don’t think when the US women dominated, uh, Thailand, it was
dehumanizing. They were just, most of the press countries were outraged because
they were celebrating after with 7-0 and 10-0. Well that’s, look, Thailand was
horrible, but stop’em.
DJ: 28:51 But
that’s not also I heard, I also, people complain that they didn’t let up after
Jerry: 28:55 Absolutely.
DJ: 28:56 No,
but there is a point to scoring those goals. The point is that the tie breaker
is in gold differential
Jerry: 29:01 in
DJ: 29:02 and
Jerry: 29:03 Aggregate
Score, and Alexi Lalas pointed that out. I don’t know the announcer, but he, I
don’t know if he was the host or he was on the Olympic Committee, but he was
going out them and he said, and I quote, they should’ve given up or let taking
the foot off the throat after 3-0 then you didn’t need to score 4 it was over
at halftime. They didn’t need to score. Seven goals and Alexia, basically saad what
do you want them want to do, rollover.? Yes.
DJ: 29:25 So,
that means they roll over and then Thailand catches up and they lose.
Jerry: 29:29 Brought
DJ: 29:29 That’s
Jerry: 29:30 I
brought that up earlier.
DJ: 29:31 I
think that’s what their goal is.
Jerry: 29:32 That’s
the whole point. We let up. They came back. We gave that game to them. How many
times do we hear that? We lost that game. They didn’t win the game. We lost
that. We gave that game to them. You’re right. That’s what they want.
DJ: 29:41 One
of the classic hallmark identifications of evil is hating the good for being
good, not for their vices, not for their wrongdoings about, because they’re
good. And this is an example of that. They didn’t go after them cause they did.
They were bad. They went after them cause they’re too good.
Jerry: 30:00 Yeah.
It’s almost like the Detroit fans hating Matt Stafford because he’s good and
they’re not. They’re jealous that they can’t do what he does and gets paid all
DJ: 30:09 Uh,
I don’t know about Matt Stafford. I don’t think they hit him like that.
Jerry: 30:12 Oh,
but they do.
DJ: 30:13 Better
example is how Detroit fans hate Sidney Crosby cause he is so good. That’s…
Jerry: 30:20 Your
right. But Detroit fans hate Matthew Stafford on that level of (Sidney Crosby).
I know that sounds ridiculous, but they do cause he hasn’t taken them anywhere.
That’s a different topic.
DJ: 30:30 It’s
not as, hate is what I would apply to Sidney Crosby.
Jerry: 30:31 It’s
DJ: 30:34 It’s
more of a genuine, deep dislike. A disappointment because he didn’t take them
to the promised land.
Jerry: 30:40 When
I hear sports radio and they bring up the Loins, there’s nothing but, and I’m
talking venom and hate coming from these callers it and it’s not pretty. You’ll
DJ: 30:50 Are
you sure it’s not coming from a place of disappointment or coming from a place
of hate? I think it’s coming from a place of disappointment..
Jerry: 30:53 I
think. No, I think it’s jealousy cause they can’t do what Staffod does and
Stafford makes $26 million. That bothers, I go to work, I’m a Joe lunchbox. I
work 40 hours. He doesn’t work 40 hours. He is getting paid. It’s a jealousy,
you know? It’s almost like they want that equality. If he can make 26 million.
DJ: 31:11 First
of all, they can’t do it as good as Stafford.
Jerry: 31:14 I
DJ: 31:14 That’s
no different than saying I want, I want Bill Gates money and they can’t do what
he did as good as him.
Jerry: 31:20 That’s
why I bring it up because the women can’t do it with the men’s soccer team can.
That’s why I brought that up. But some of the fans do hate certain of their
stars because it’s an envy. They can’t do it. They think they’re better. They
played high school sports. You know how many times I hear a person calling, I
played college ball. Like they know what they’re talking about. They have to
get that out there. They have to brag about it to make a justify that they can
criticize, Matt Stafford. Now when really it’s because he makes all that money.
Again, it’s a jealousy but we’re kind of digressing. But there’s also, if I
don’t think Ms Rapinoe understands what she wants and the result that if it
came through and you have a little story that you’re going to read, basically
that’s going to explain what happens when it’s all equal.
DJ: 32:01 (From
edoc.pub) This is, uh, by Kurt Vonnegut jr and it’s “Harrison
Bergeron”. This can take about five or so minutes. So bear with me.
WAS 2081, and everybody was finally equal. They weren’t only equal before God
and the law. They were equal every which way. Nobody was smarter than anybody
else. Nobody was better looking than anybody else. Nobody was stronger or
quicker than anybody else. All this equality was due to the 211th, 212th, and
213th Amendments to the Constitution, and to the unceasing vigilance of agents
of the United States Handicapper General.
Some things about living still weren’t quite
right, though. April for instance, still drove people crazy by not being
springtime. And it was in that clammy month that the H-G men took George and
Hazel Bergeron’s fourteen-year-old son, Harrison, away.
It was tragic, all right, but George and Hazel
couldn’t think about it very hard. Hazel had a perfectly average intelligence,
which meant she couldn’t think about anything except in short bursts. And
George, while his intelligence was way above normal, had a little mental
handicap radio in his ear. He was required by law to wear it at all times. It
was tuned to a government transmitter. Every twenty seconds or so, the
transmitter would send out some sharp noise to keep people like George from
taking unfair advantage of their brains.
George and Hazel were watching television.
There were tears on Hazel’s cheeks, but she’d forgotten for the moment what
they were about.
On the television screen were ballerinas.
A buzzer sounded in George’s head. His thoughts
fled in panic, like bandits from a burglar alarm.
“That was a real pretty dance, that dance
they just did,” said Hazel.
“Huh” said George.
“That dance-it was nice,” said Hazel.
“Yup,” said George. He tried to think
a little about the ballerinas. They weren’t really very good-no better than
anybody else would have been, anyway. They were burdened with sashweights and
bags of birdshot, and their faces were masked, so that no one, seeing a free
and graceful gesture or a pretty face, would feel like something the cat drug
in. George was toying with the vague notion that maybe dancers shouldn’t be
handicapped. But he didn’t get very far with it before another noise in his ear
radio scattered his thoughts.
George winced. So did two out of the eight
Hazel saw him wince. Having no mental handicap
herself, she had to ask George what the latest sound had been.
“Sounded like somebody hitting a milk
bottle with a ball peen hammer,” said George.
“I’d think it would be real interesting,
hearing all the different sounds,” said Hazel a little envious. “All
the things they think up.”
“Um,” said George.
“Only, if I was Handicapper General, you
know what I would do?” said Hazel. Hazel, as a matter of fact, bore a
strong resemblance to the Handicapper General, a woman named Diana Moon Glampers.
“If I was Diana Moon Glampers,” said Hazel, “I’d have chimes on
Sunday-just chimes. Kind of in honor of religion.”
“I could think, if it was just
chimes,” said George.
“Well-maybe make ’em real loud,” said
Hazel. “I think I’d make a good Handicapper General.”
“Good as anybody else,” said George.
“Who knows better then I do what normal
is?” said Hazel.
“Right,” said George. He began to
think glimmeringly about his abnormal son who was now in jail, about Harrison,
but a twenty-one-gun salute in his head stopped that.
“Boy!” said Hazel, “that was a
doozy, wasn’t it?”
It was such a doozy that George was white and
trembling, and tears stood on the rims of his red eyes. Two of of the eight
ballerinas had collapsed to the studio floor, were holding their temples.
“All of a sudden you look so tired,”
said Hazel. “Why don’t you stretch out on the sofa, so’s you can rest your
handicap bag on the pillows, honeybunch.”
She was referring to the forty-seven pounds of
birdshot in a canvas bag, which was padlocked around George’s neck. “Go on
and rest the bag for a little while,” she said. “I don’t care if
you’re not equal to me for a while.”
George weighed the bag with his hands. “I
don’t mind it,” he said. “I don’t notice it any more. It’s just a
part of me.”
“You been so tired lately-kind of wore
out,” said Hazel. “If there was just some way we could make a little
hole in the bottom of the bag, and just take out a few of them lead balls. Just
“Two years in prison and two thousand
dollars fine for every ball I took out,” said George. “I don’t call
that a bargain.”
“If you could just take a few out when you
came home from work,” said Hazel. “I mean-you don’t compete with
anybody around here. You just set around.”
“If I tried to get away with it,”
said George, “then other people’d get away with it-and pretty soon we’d be
right back to the dark ages again, with everybody competing against everybody
else. You wouldn’t like that, would you?”
“I’d hate it,” said Hazel.
“There you are,” said George. The
minute people start cheating on laws, what do you think happens to
If Hazel hadn’t been able to come up with an
answer to this question, George couldn’t have supplied one. A siren was going
off in his head.
“Reckon it’d fall all apart,” said
“What would?” said George blankly.
“Society,” said Hazel uncertainly.
“Wasn’t that what you just said?
“Who knows?” said George.
The television program was suddenly interrupted
for a news bulletin. It wasn’t clear at first as to what the bulletin was
about, since the announcer, like all announcers, had a serious speech
impediment. For about half a minute, and in a state of high excitement, the
announcer tried to say, “Ladies and Gentlemen.”
He finally gave up, handed the bulletin to a
ballerina to read.
“That’s all right-” Hazel said of the
announcer, “he tried. That’s the big thing. He tried to do the best he
could with what God gave him. He should geta nice raise for trying so
“Ladies and Gentlemen,” said the
ballerina, reading the bulletin. She must have been extraordinarily beautiful,
because the mask she wore was hideous. And it was easy to see that she was the
strongest and most graceful of all the dancers, for her handicap bags were as
big as those worn by two-hundred pound men.
And she had to apologize at once for her voice,
which was a very unfair voice for a woman to use. Her voice was a warm,
luminous, timeless melody. “Excuse me-” she said, and she began
again, making her voice absolutely uncompetitive.
“Harrison Bergeron, age fourteen,”
she said in a grackle squawk, “has just escaped from jail, where he was
held on suspicion of plotting to overthrow the government. He is a genius and
an athlete, is under-handicapped, and should be regarded as extremely
A police photograph of Harrison Bergeron was
flashed on the screen-upside down, then sideways, upside down again, then right
side up. The picture showed the full length of Harrison against a background
calibrated in feet and inches. He was exactly seven feet tall.
The rest of Harrison’s appearance was Halloween
and hardware. Nobody had ever born heavier handicaps. He had outgrown
hindrances faster than the H-G men could think them up. Instead of a little ear
radio for a mental handicap, he wore a tremendous pair of earphones, and
spectacles with thick wavy lenses. The spectacles were intended to make him not
only half blind, but to give him whanging headaches besides.
Scrap metal was hung all over him. Ordinarily,
there was a certain symmetry, a military neatness to the handicaps issued to
strong people, but Harrison looked like a walking junkyard. In the race of
life, Harrison carried three hundred pounds.
And to offset his good looks, the H-G men
required that he wear at all times a red rubber ball for a nose, keep his
eyebrows shaved off, and cover his even white teeth with black caps at
“If you see this boy,” said the
ballerina, “do not – I repeat, do not – try to reason with him.”
There was the shriek of a door being torn from
Screams and barking cries of consternation came
from the television set. The photograph of Harrison Bergeron on the screen
jumped again and again, as though dancing to the tune of an earthquake.
George Bergeron correctly identified the
earthquake, and well he might have – for many was the time his own home had
danced to the same crashing tune. “My God-” said George, “that
must be Harrison!”
The realization was blasted from his mind
instantly by the sound of an automobile collision in his head.
When George could open his eyes again, the
photograph of Harrison was gone. A living, breathing Harrison filled the
Clanking, clownish, and huge, Harrison stood –
in the center of the studio. The knob of the uprooted studio door was still in
his hand. Ballerinas, technicians, musicians, and announcers cowered on their
knees before him, expecting to die.
“I am the Emperor!” cried Harrison.
“Do you hear? I am the Emperor! Everybody must do what I say at
once!” He stamped his foot and the studio shook.
“Even as I stand here” he bellowed,
“crippled, hobbled, sickened – I am a greater ruler than any man who ever
lived! Now watch me become what I can become!”
Harrison tore the straps of his handicap
harness like wet tissue paper, tore straps guaranteed to support five thousand
Harrison’s scrap-iron handicaps crashed to the
Harrison thrust his thumbs under the bar of the
padlock that secured his head harness. The bar snapped like celery. Harrison
smashed his headphones and spectacles against the wall.
He flung away his rubber-ball nose, revealed a
man that would have awed Thor, the god of thunder.
“I shall now select my Empress!” he
said, looking down on the cowering people. “Let the first woman who dares
rise to her feet claim her mate and her throne!”
A moment passed, and then a ballerina arose,
swaying like a willow.
Harrison plucked the mental handicap from her
ear, snapped off her physical handicaps with marvelous delicacy. Last of all he
removed her mask.
She was blindingly beautiful.
“Now-” said Harrison, taking her
hand, “shall we show the people the meaning of the word dance?
Music!” he commanded.
The musicians scrambled back into their chairs,
and Harrison stripped them of their handicaps, too. “Play your best,”
he told them, “and I’ll make you barons and dukes and earls.”
The music began. It was normal at first-cheap,
silly, false. But Harrison snatched two musicians from their chairs, waved them
like batons as he sang the music as he wanted it played. He slammed them back
into their chairs.
The music began again and was much improved.
Harrison and his Empress merely listened to the
music for a while-listened gravely, as though synchronizing their heartbeats
They shifted their weights to their toes.
Harrison placed his big hands on the girls tiny
waist, letting her sense the weightlessness that would soon be hers.
And then, in an explosion of joy and grace,
into the air they sprang!
Not only were the laws of the land abandoned,
but the law of gravity and the laws of motion as well.
They reeled, whirled, swiveled, flounced,
capered, gamboled, and spun.
They leaped like deer on the moon.
The studio ceiling was thirty feet high, but
each leap brought the dancers nearer to it.
It became their obvious intention to kiss the
ceiling. They kissed it.
And then, neutraling gravity with love and pure
will, they remained suspended in air inches below the ceiling, and they kissed
each other for a long, long time.
It was then that Diana Moon Glampers, the
Handicapper General, came into the studio with a double-barreled ten-gauge
shotgun. She fired twice, and the Emperor and the Empress were dead before they
hit the floor.
Diana Moon Glampers loaded the gun again. She
aimed it at the musicians and told them they had ten seconds to get their
handicaps back on.
It was then that the Bergerons’ television tube
Hazel turned to comment about the blackout to
George. But George had gone out into the kitchen for a can of beer.
George came back in with the beer, paused while
a handicap signal shook him up. And then he sat down again. “You been
crying” he said to Hazel.
“Yup,” she said.
“What about?” he said.
“I forget,” she said. “Something
real sad on television.”
“What was it?” he said.
“It’s all kind of mixed up in my
mind,” said Hazel.
“Forget sad things,” said George.
“I always do,” said Hazel.
“That’s my girl,” said George. He
winced. There was the sound of a rivetting gun in his head.
“Gee – I could tell that one was a
doozy,” said Hazel.
“You can say that again,” said
“Gee-” said Hazel, “I could tell
that one was a doozy.”
There is the ultimate outcome of the equality
these people are asking for.
Jerry: 43:25 So yes, Ms. Rapinoe. Is that what you want? Is that what you’re looking for? Because that’s what you’re going to get when you want equality. End it at that.
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