Equality in Sports Revisited

What does it mean when those who claim to be marginalized by society want equality? On the surface this seems like a fair proposition. Yet upon a deeper examination, equality is a commodity that hard to accomplish outside of the courtroom, where everyone is, ideally, equal before the law. Once again, it seems fair but the modern-day application of equality comes well short of being fair. The question that needs to be asked, yet seldom is, is fair to whom?

  Dodge ball has taken a hit to the crotch (yes, pun intended) inside school gymnasiums of late. Some Canadian researchers have come to the conclusion that dodge ball is a “tool of oppression” that can be used to dehumanize children and manifests inequality when teams are picked by the superior athletic kids, creating unbalanced teams. This research sounds like it was written by those who weren’t very athletic and are taken their opportunity to lash out at being chosen as one of the last for a team. The Wall Street Journal’s Jeff Yang once said that dodgeball “is a systematized opportunity for bullies” to target the weak. This same accusation could be leveled against baseball when, usually in youth baseball, the weakest are relegated to right field and can be a target for good hitters going after the weakest link in the field of play. A little closer to the truth, dodge ball is about winning and should teach kids how to compete, regardless of size or athletic ability. Canadian journalist Joseph Brean, paraphrasing David Burns, said,

  “The moral problem with Dodge Ball is that it encourages students to aggressively single others out for dominance, and to enjoy that exclusion and dominance in victory.”

   This veiled cry for equality can be applied to just about every endeavor in life, from business and academics to all other sports. Does Microsoft have a moral problem when they put out a superior Windows program that dominates the market allowing it (Microsoft) to enjoy the exclusion of that victory. When smarter kids dominate in academia and bask in the glow of their superior grades, do they not enjoy “exclusion and dominance” in that form of victory. Turn to sports and the comparisons are close to endless.

  Transgender athletes, mostly male to female, are claiming inequality just when someone vocally opposes their participation against biological females in sports, let alone when rules are established that prohibit such unfair competition. Unfair to whom? The biological females. CeCe Telfer of Franklin Pierce University is a college hurdler born male but now competing as a female who recently won an NCAA women’s national championship, taking the 400-meter hurdles by more than a second. According to the battle cry against inequality in dodge ball stated above, doesn’t Tefler enjoy the “exclusion and dominance” in the victory over biological females? Tefler was interviewed by ESPN’s Outside the Lines and said:

  “(I)f anything, me competing against cisgender females is a disadvantage… My body is going through so many medical implications … It’s going through biochemistry changes. So, being on hormone replacement therapy [results in] muscle depletion … your muscles are deteriorating. You lose a lot of strength because testosterone is where you get your strength, your agility. So, I have to work twice as hard to keep that strength, and if I slack a day, that’s like three days set behind. So … I have to keep up all my workouts … I can’t drink … I can’t eat unhealthy, or else it’s gonna impact me harder.”

  Literally everything Tefler said can be applied to any training athlete who slacks for any period of time. Returning to consistent peak performance will require even more hard work. Besides, transitioning from men’s hurdles competition, with the higher hurdles, to women’s hurdles, with its lower hurdles, would alone give Tefler an advantage without even considering physiological aspects like bone structure, muscle density, etc.

  Finally, and thankfully there is some legal pushback against those like Tefler and other transgendered athletes from competing against biological girls.

  According to CBS News:

     Three Connecticut girls who have run high school track have filed a federal discrimination complaint saying a statewide policy on transgender athletes has cost them top finishes in races and possibly college scholarships.

    “Girls deserve to compete on a level playing field,” said Christiana Holcomb, legal counsel for Alliance Defending Freedom. “Women fought long and hard to earn the equal athletic opportunities that Title IX provides. Allowing boys to compete in girls’ sports reverses nearly 50 years of advances for women under this law. We shouldn’t force these young women to be spectators in their own sports.”

    The complaint filed Monday with the U.S. Education Department’s Office for Civil Rights was submitted by the conservative Christian law firm Alliance Defending Freedom on behalf of the girls, who are asking for an investigation of the policy and orders that would make competitions fair. The complaint also cites the federal Title IX rules aimed at equal rights in sports for female athletes.

   One can only hope that that ideal of equality before the law actually exists.

   Another example of transgender (male to female) exploitation of non-transgendered biological competitors happened when Mary Gregory, a transgendered weightlifter, competing under the RAW Powerlifting Federation, was stripped of all titles after winning nine out of nine competitions, which included setting a new Masters world squat record, open world bench record, Masters world deadlift record and Masters world total record.

  In this writers opinion, the RAW Powerlifting Federation was correct to take away the titles because, according to Paul Bossi, the federations president:

  “It was revealed that this female lifter was actually a male in the process of becoming a Transgender female…Our rules, and the basis of separating genders for competition, are based on physiological classification rather than identification.

  On the basis of all information presented to the Board of Directors for this particular case, the conclusion made, is that the correct physiological classification is male.”

 Transgendered exploitation of biological females stopped in its tracks.

In a free society, outside of the context of equality before the law, equality is virtually impossible, including the US Women’s Soccer demand for equal pay with the men. Someone will be a better soccer player than another. You can be a better writer than me, while I can be a better athlete than you. There’s only one place in the real world that one can visit to get the equality they are looking for. At any graveyard where everyone is equally dead.

Grand Designs Podcast – Episode 20 – Equality in Sports Revisited Transcript

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Jerry:                                     00:13                     This is Grand Designs Podcast with DJ and Jerry Grand where we link the chains of reason of sports, politics and culture.

DJ:                                          00:32                     Welcome to the Grand Design Podcast, episode 20. Uh, I’m DJ Grand and I’m with my brother Jerry.

Jerry:                                     00:49                     Greetings,

DJ:                                          00:50                     uh, today we’ll basically be revisiting an issue wee did an episode seven, we’re going to be talking about equality in sports. Uh, firstly let’s talk about dodge ball and how it’s supposedly dehumanizing.

Jerry:                                     01:02                     Yeah, that’s a little bit on the inequality. And I don’t know how in a sport you can have equality, uh, be at dodge ball or any sport because if everyone’s equal, no one’s gonna win. The score’s going to be tied. And then there’s no entertainment. And what’s the point of playing? Uh, but the dehumanizing part, I think they’re coming from, and I’m going into the Dodgeball movie, which is hilarious, where they pick on Winston. And he actually says, remember, kids pick the most smallest. I can’t quote the actor when I the worst, most whatever, unathletic kid. Uh, and pick on them, make sure the other team picks them. And then they show Winston with a pair of glasses getting just pulverized with the ball and he gets the kid who threw the ball gets, you know, congratulations. So, they’re saying that’s dehumanizing to Winston.

DJ:                                          01:43                     Well, a short sidetrack right away. I used to do that in baseball. I used to identify the worst, the weakest link out in the outfield. I’d try and hit it to the right fielder or…

Jerry:                                     01:53                     We were taught in CYO when you up to the bat to aim the bat back of the pitcher, like it was coming right back at him.

DJ:                                          01:59                     So, I kind of works in other sports too.

Jerry:                                     02:01                     Yes.

DJ:                                          02:01                     Well, anyways, as far as the, uh, to put this in context, this is from the Blaze from June 12th, 2019, “When you’re setting up an environment for students to learn and you introduced the idea that it’s okay to slam the ball at whomever you like, even if it’s with a soft ball. The intention is there,” according to Joy Butler, who is a professor of pedology and curriculum development at the University of British Columbia. She goes on, “When students think it’s okay because they’re being told it’s okay to do that. What do they learn? People say dodge ball being used as an outlet for aggression or catharsis. I suspect that this is where they’re learning it. Physical Education class should be an arena where teachers are helping students control their aggression and move on instead of expressing themselves in anger” unquote.

Jerry:                                     02:51                     The problem I have with that is I’ve always been taught, and I tell others that there’s a lot of relations to sports in life. And dodge ball, if you get knocked out, if you get slammed or you get hit in the face, it’s just the reason, you know, to get back up again and don’t quit. Just like in life, you’re going to get smacked in the face. Only in life. It’s a lot harder than dodgeball. I mean, you think about it’s a game. You get back up, winners and losers, you’re still alive. Uh, but there are some tragedies that’ll come in life that you’ve got to learn to cope with and get over. And I believe, really truly believe that playing sports teaches you that whole, it’s always said that this is life. This is not football, this is life. So she’s completely incorrect. I mean that’s just well as you would say psychobabble.

DJ:                                          03:31                     Well yeah. He goes on. And uh, in the same article he finishes out, by a annilating ones opponent and the quote “athletic and authoritative students ran the show when it comes to rules and tended to create their own teams and which allowed them to gang up on other students. The message is that it’s okay to hurt or dehumanize the other. The competition is about annihilating ones opponent. And the true definition of competition is between two evenly matched teams while kids stack their teams and they really enjoy beating up on the other team. What’s the enjoyment of that?” unquote.

Jerry:                                     04:05                     Look, I always enjoyed it at first cause I was little small growing up, uh, not getting picked. And then it was basically showing them what a mistake it was and that I was actually good. And then the next time I got picked. So you’ve got to go out there. If you really, that bothers you and you want to get picked, you’ve got to improve, you’ve got to go out and practice, you’re going to take some lumps. So again, and you can’t have no, an even team is not a good game because again, everyone’s equal. There’s not going to be a winner. I mean, I get good games. There are classic games, but that doesn’t mean both teams are even most of the time, um, the actual winner takes nothing to better team loses.

DJ:                                          04:40                     Sometimes that happens. I think they’re using the wrong term by equal. I think there wasn’t really mean is parity, which is…

Jerry:                                     04:45                     No, I agree in the NFL strives for that for, so everyone’s team has a chance to win. But at the end of the day, what they’ve been striving for parity and the Patriots winning so many, has there been parity?

DJ:                                          04:58                     Well, you can’t, in an ideal world. It would get as close to equal as possible, but that can’t always happen.

Jerry:                                     05:02                     If it was, if it was though, nobody would win.

DJ:                                          05:05                     Well from the USA Today, an article by Larry Alex Taunton. Uh, he quotes the Wall Street Journal’s Jeff Yang once said that dodgeball quote “is a systemized opportunity for bullies” unquote to target that weak. He further complained that while headshots were banned, crotch shots weren’t.

Jerry:                                     05:25                     Look that that happens pretty much every, I want to say every play, but when a plane, a safety gets hurt, cornerback, defensive cornerback in the NFL, next play, the quarterback’s going after that person. Going right after him to destroy him, to humiliate. I don’t know how many times did the announcers are bringing that up. How was it any different? And this is a professional athlete being embarrassed, not Winston.

DJ:                                          05:48                     That reminds me “The Longest Yard” when they let him through.

Jerry:                                     05:51                     Yeah.

DJ:                                          05:51                     And Burt Reynolds threw it right at him and hit him in the crotch.

Jerry:                                     05:54                     He didn’t do that again. Did he? He wasn’t the dirty part of that he was before that.

DJ:                                          05:59                     It also says, according to Fox News quote, “researchers argue that there is a hidden curriculum of dodgeball that reinforces the oppression of those perceived as weaker individuals for the exercise of violence and dominance.

Jerry:                                     06:13                     Look, dodge ball is no different than any other sport to where there’s going to be a dominance in a weaker team. And yes, the whole point is, I don’t know how many times I’ve heard, we didn’t step on the juggler. We left him in the game and they came back and won the game because we didn’t want to dehumanize or embarrass’em, they didn’t put there, they didn’t take them out, they didn’t go out and destroy them.

DJ:                                          06:32                     I think, I don’t agree with them, but I think their argument is that the weak don’t have, the nonathletic weak, don’t have the same chance against the athletic type. Now I was like you, I was always the smallest in the class, but that didn’t stop me because I was also athletic and I would play the game to win and I would use the ball as a defensive mechanism. I would block with the ball, so, I don’t see how, if you played the game correctly, even the weakest, the smallest could have a chance to win.

Jerry:                                     07:00                     They’re getting into psychology now to where look at that kid wants to win and he’s competitive, he’ll go against the better talent because at the end, going against a better talent, it’ll make him a better player. He may get smacked a few times, but he’ll block the ball and eventually after a year or two he’ll be the one that’s being picked and then now he’s the one that’s dehumanizing the other team. So it’s all about practicing getting better and some people are not athletic and it takes them time to learn, but anybody wants to learn to get better that they can. And I think these guys are just arguing for the lazy way out that they didn’t want to train and they didn’t want to practice.

DJ:                                          07:34                     Um, this is true. I’m trying to think. I read somewhere that dodge ball was not even listed as one of the most violent sports. Soccer was ahead of that. I mean there were, I mean it wasn’t even a top 10 as one of the most violent sports.

Jerry:                                     07:50                     I’ve seen some very gruesome soccer injuries. So yeah, I could get that. And this is probably one bit, I don’t think dodge ball is even in the class of a contact sport. You catch the ball, you get out of the way. Cannot have a problem?

DJ:                                          08:06                     I agree. And this is sort of like making everyone wear a helmet when they ride a bike. It’s not always necessary.

Jerry:                                     08:11                     Again, no, I completely agree. And I think this is just again psychobabble about dodge ball and it being dehumanizing. It’s a game. It’s like kickball. We played kickball a lot and you can kick the ball off of someone’s face. How’s that any different? Instead you’re using your foot, you’re not throwing it.

DJ:                                          08:28                     No, I agree. The point of the game is to win and that is what it should teach them. Teach them the skills necessary to win.

Jerry:                                     08:33                     Phys Ed class, from what I remember, it was more for exercise. It wasn’t about winning or losing. Yeah, it’s natural. I don’t care how you bring up kids. Kids are going to go out there and they want to compete. They want to win. They want to be the better one in any sport. They want to impress the teacher, impress the girl. They’re going to go out there and compete and yeah, there are going to be weaker ones. And they’re going to just have to learn. And in life, I mean, how many times have you heard about the geek who was in school and got picked on is now Bill Gates in a billionaire 10 times over. So where’s the equality there?

DJ:                                          09:03                     You can’t have total equality.

Jerry:                                     09:05                     I know, but this guy wants a quality in dodge ball. Where’s the quality of business?

DJ:                                          09:10                     Well, when we were growing up, we were in different classes, but in my class at Our Lady of Grace, when there was clearly a weaker team, the actual male gym teacher played on that weaker team and he was throwing strikes. I mean, don’t, we’re talking hard strikes. So, he kind of evened up that way. So there are ways. I’ve even seen on YouTube that there were, um, students versus teacher dodgeball. And I’ve seen those teachers actually whipped the ball towards them. So…

Jerry:                                     09:38                     Even in my class, I get it. That it’s a way to take out anger.

DJ:                                          09:42                     Yeah. So our second point of a conversation about equality in sports goes to, once again, transgender competitors. This is pretty much what we talked about in Episode Seven. Um, specifically there was a transgender hurler who won the national championship and uh, her name was a CeCe Tefer of the Franklin Pierce University, a college hurdler born male, but now competing as a female who last month won NCAAs Women’s national championship, taking the 400 meter hurdles by more than a second. Tefler, formerly known as Craig, as recently as January, 2018 ran with a division two school men’s track and field team Tefler started going by the name CeCe when competing with the men before transitioning to the women’s competition and Tefler became the New Hampshire school women’s track and field champion. ESPN interviewed Tefler on “Outside the Lines” and she quoted “If anything, me competing against a CISgender females is a disadvantage. According to her quote, “My body is going through so many medical implications. It’s going through biochemistry changes. So being on hormone replacement therapy results in muscle depletion, your muscles are deteriorating. You lose a lot of strength because testosterone is where you get your strength, your agility. So, I have to work twice as hard to keep that strength. If I slack day, then there’s three days set behind so I have to keep up all my workouts. I can’t drink, I can’t eat unhealthy or else it’s going to impact me harder.”

Jerry:                                     11:22                     What you just read it the same regiment for any athlete who trains.

DJ:                                          11:26                     I absolutely agree and that’s exactly what I was going to say, that it has nothing to do with her transitioning, that she wouldn’t have to work just as hard. I guarantee you Michael Phelps, who now for transitioned worked just as hard if he, would have to work just as hard if he fell behind.

Jerry:                                     11:42                     With his diet, with his training, with everything that that male said applied to Michael Phelps, you know, every athlete, those (athletes), especially the world class athletes and all the major sports, those guys train in the off season, maybe two weeks off or they’ll get time with their family and their back to lifting weights, running, whatever it may be for a aerobics to get their…Basketball players want endurance. Hockey for the same thing off ice training. That’s such a ridiculous (argument),

DJ:                                          12:07                     This is also from the Blaze from June 4th, 2019. Uh, “according to the website, Totalboy Sports, which research some of Tefler’s statistics as a male competitor. Tefler was an above average male hurdler. But as women’s hurdle are lower tough learned soon dominated the competition and became the top women’s competitor in the women’s 55 meter hurdles and the 55 meters sprint. NCAA has a policy for transgender athletes for years is legal under NCAA bylaws for a biological male to compete in the woman’s division, if that male has suppressed his test testosterone levels for one year. A guidance document issued by issue and published by the NCAA, took the stance that is not accurate to assume that a male who has transitioned to become a transgender female has an unfair advantage over a biological woman saying it is important not to over generalize.” In this instance. I think the NCAA is wrong.

Jerry:                                     13:03                     Oh absolutely. Cause I was going to say, apparently even with his testosterone replacement, he still running fast like he did with the testosterone. It hasn’t really done that much. He’s still, he’s blowing these girls out. It’s like the men would.

DJ:                                          13:16                     To me, it’s not even a point about running fast. It’s a matter of he now has an unfair advantage. He still has the bone structure of a male. It doesn’t matter what less testosterones or not.

Jerry:                                     13:26                     Bone structure, psychology,

DJ:                                          13:28                     body chemistry.

Jerry:                                     13:29                     Correct.

DJ:                                          13:30                     So I think it creates an unfair advantage when a MtoF, male to female transgender, competes with biological women.

Jerry:                                     13:41                     I agree. And that kind of goes into our next one. Where a transgender weightlifter was stripped of the world record because…

DJ:                                          13:48                     Well this is from Yahoo! Sports Canada, “Mary Gregory sparked controversy earlier in May after claiming on Instagram that she had won nine out of nine events, which includes setting a new Masters Worlds Squat record, OpenWorld Bench record, Master’s World Deadlift record and Master’s World Total Record. However, RAW power lifting federation have now decided to take the titles off the American athlete in a decision that could have huge ramifications for transgender athletes.” The president of the federation, Paul Bossi, told Mail Online that “Gregory could not have been considered a female when she broke the records. It was revealed that the female lifter was actually a male in the process of becoming a transgender female” Bossi said, “the rules and the basis of separating genders for competition are based on physiological classification rather than identification. On the basis of all information presented to the board of directors for this particular case. The conclusion made is that the correct physiological classification is male.

Jerry:                                     14:51                     So, therefore the NCAA is completely wrong.

DJ:                                          14:55                     Well, absolutely, but this, this isn’t the NCAA this the Power Lifting Federation.

Jerry:                                     14:59                     That’s my point.

DJ:                                          15:00                     Yeah, I, well, I said that in the beginning.

Jerry:                                     15:02                     If RAW or if the NCAA used the RAW definition there, the, the hurdle there would have been stripped of his wouldn’t be allowed to compete. So, then, my question would be why is one, okay, the NCAA and yet the other one got stripped. That’s a complete contradiction.

DJ:                                          15:17                     Here’s what I agree with. A quote from the USA Power lifting, “Men naturally have a larger bone structure, higher bone density, stronger connective tissue and higher muscle density than women. These traits, even when we do levels of testosterone do not go away while m to f, male to female, maybe weaker and less muscle than they once were. The biological benefits giving them at birth still remain over than of a female.

Jerry:                                     15:43                     Even though they’re weaker, they’re still stronger than the females. It’s not that hard. So for them, I mean I agree with RAW, they shouldn’t be allowed strip. They strip all the titles and the NCAA should read. They need to read this.

DJ:                                          15:56                     I totally agree. There was also an angry back backlash from Olympians, Great Britain Olympic swimmer, Sharon Davis tweeted “any records set by trans women’s, those born male with male biology and advantages. Should we remove when all this confusion and unfairness is sorted out”. She called it an unfair playing field.

Jerry:                                     16:16                     I wonder how they would feel if Michael Phelps went transgender and competed against the ladies.

DJ:                                          16:21                     Well, this particular Mary Gregory is complaining that the reason she got caught was because they made her take a urine test in front of someone and apparently that someone saw her penis, if that makes sense. And so she’s claimed she’s claiming that that’s the reason why it had that not happened. She never would have lost her titles.

Jerry:                                     16:42                     So, she got caught because she pees standing up.

DJ:                                          16:43                     No, she was sitting down when it happened, but

Jerry:                                     16:48                     that’s funny.

DJ:                                          16:49                     Well, that’s what she’s claiming.

Jerry:                                     16:50                     Going into our third topic, and this one is probably the most interesting, is the US women’s soccer. Now in the beginning here with the whole protests for the ladies, how they want equal pay with the men’s soccer team, they want to be compensated in every single way as the men and no, absolutely not. I would tell any of them, go try out for a men’s MLS team, which is the major league soccer team, not the Olympic team. If they can, they make it, they can compete and they get a contract. Great. But they probably won’t because there’ll be destroyed and if not hurt. So for what they’re asking for, Megan Rapinoe is one of them is complete equality which she’ll never get because to be equal, she would have to play with the men. And she’s not realizing that she can’t, she will get destroyed if she played against, look, the men’s Olympic team hasn’t been doing very well and the women’s team has, that doesn’t mean the women should play with the men that they’re better than the men.

DJ:                                          17:53                     I totally agree. I don’t, I think that will prove that they aren’t equally as far as on the soccer field, because most of the men would make the team if they were judged objectively, most men would make the team and very few female would.

Jerry:                                     18:05                     If they played a game where the men didn’t feel bad and it was all across the board competition, you think the ladies team would even stand a chance against the men’s team? And the men’s team isn’t really good. They’ll get to the men’s team would destroy the ladies team. So there’s no equality. They can’t be. What they’re asking for cannot and never will never happen.

DJ:                                          18:26                     Well, there’s also another issue I want to talk about in terms of Megan Rapinoe and that is her silent protest against President Trump and the national anthem. I have no problem with a protest with the national anthem, whether you say it or don’t say it, if you sit, stand, kneel.

Jerry:                                     18:45                     Where a hat, whatever.

DJ:                                          18:46                     It doesn’t bother me at all. In fact, for decades I would not stand for the national anthem, but not for the reasons she refused to stand. Uh, according to the Blaze, again, “the star for the women’s soccer team, kept promise to ignore the celebration national anthem as an f-you to President Donald Trump.” To me that is a problem. You want a protest, protest if you want, don’t want to stand or if you want to sit, you want to kneel do it. But to do it as, as an effort of disrespect is absolutely wrong. And I said this in episode seven, I think it needs to be repeated. The point of fascism is to make the masses act as one. What are you doing when everybody in a 10,000 seat arena stands and sings the same song trying to hit the same notes? It is the masses acting as one. It is inherently a fascist endeavor and it’s for that reason I refuse to stand with the masses. It doesn’t mean I’m not patriotic. It doesn’t mean I don’t want America and I don’t care about America. It means I refuse to do anything in fascistic, uh, in a fascistic way. That to me is a philosophical reason not to stand for the national anthem. Saying you want to f you to any president. I don’t care if it’s Donald Trump or Barack Obama, that is disrespectful and is wrong.

Jerry:                                     20:10                     I was going to bring that up because when Obama won, there are a lot of people who weren’t happy about it and they were told can’t disrespect the office. Got To respect it. There were some people, some athletes that didn’t want to go the White House and they were ridiculed for not going to Obama’s White House when they won championships. Now it’s completely opposite. They’re cheered when they don’t go to Trump’s, um, parties. And these people now can say f the president, but we couldn’t say f the President when Obama was in. That wasn’t allowed. It was, no, you must honor the president. Where did that go? Where did, I want to ask Ms Rapinoe? Where did that go? How come it wasn’t f Obama but now it’s f Trump and it’s okay. Eight years ago, couldn’t do that. Why? What has changed to where she can say f Trump, but I could not say f Obama, Barack Obama.? That bothers me.

DJ:                                          20:54                     I believe what has changed is falsely or not, they are assuming that Trump is anti-gay, anti LGBQ, whatever.

Jerry:                                     21:05                     They’re just following the press and

DJ:                                          21:07                     The point is she’s doing it because she’s gay and up that…

Jerry:                                     21:12                     Correct

DJ:                                          21:12                     pisses her off and she…

Jerry:                                     21:13                     The press have railed Trump for that reason. So she’s just jumping on that bandwagon period. End of story. That’s really kind of where she’s coming from and that gets into the equal pay.

DJ:                                          21:23                     I think she, she’s continuing on, we can talk about equal pay ina second.

Jerry:                                     21:27                     She’s making…

DJ:                                          21:27                     I think she’s, no, she also did it to align herself with Colin Kaepernick when he did it. Okay, fine. I that kind of a a protest I have no problem with now she says, she continues to do it just to give a metaphorical middle finger to the president? And that is where I say it as being wrong.

Jerry:                                     21:46                     That’s what Colin Kaepernick was doing and giving them a metaphorical middle finger to Roger Goodell and all the uh, ex veterans out there that, you know.

DJ:                                          21:53                     No, I don’t think it was a metaphorical middle finger. I think he was actually trying to protest what he saw. Rightly or wrongly, he saw as inequality in America, a black oppression, whatever. I don’t really think that was strictly to Donald Trump. What Megan Rapinoe is doing is directly to Donald Trump. I think that’s the difference. And that’s why I think she’s wrong in this sense.

Jerry:                                     22:17                     I would agree with you there.

DJ:                                          22:19                     So, if we want to go back to the issue of equal pay, um, they did a, Elle, did an article about Hope Solo and they talked about the equal pay and what went down. “The 2015 world cup final was watched by a report at 25 million Americans and remains the country’s most few soccer match, a male or female. But the tournament also highlighted longstanding discrepancies between the woman’s team and the men’s. It was played on artificial turf, an undisputedly more difficult terrain, the natural grass, whereas the men’s World Cup has always been on grass. When the woman won the team’s bonus was 2 million. In 2014 when the men lost in the 16th round, there’s was 9 million.’

Jerry:                                     23:03                     I completely agree, but here we go again. This is not really a hard, they can’t, they can’t, they are not equal. They cannot compete with the men. They will get blown away. So it would justify that 9 million from not winning and the ladies only getting 2 million.

DJ:                                          23:17                     Okay, well the article continues. It was about hope Solo. “So in 2015 at Hope solo’s urging the team replaced their lawyer who long represented the players union with Nichols, known as with a pugnacious approach. Nichols then hired Jeffrey Kessler and his colleagues at Winston and Strawn as outside council.” Kessler Handled Tom Brady’s to fake deflate gate just so it’s known. “Other one of the opening moves, one, his opening moves was filing the EEOC suit according to Kessler, it is almost classic example of gender discrimination. In 2016 if women won every one of the require 20 annual exhibition games, they could make $99,000. If the men lost every one, they’d still be paid $100,000. And while top female players earn a salary similar to that of top men, in 2015, hope solo made $366,000 lower tear males could make 10 times as much as comparable to women. This claim referenced the Federation’s own finance reports which stated in 2015 generated 24 million in event revenue and 2 million more than the men. The women, um, created that generated to 24 million. So U S S F stated in response to this lawsuit filed in May that the women received guarantee salaries while the men do not, unlike the women, the men tend to have substantial professional club contracts to fall back on. The response also declares that difference in pay are based on differences in the aggregated revenue, meaning the men’s team make more money, not necessarily through events, but via sponsorships and TV rights.”

Jerry:                                     25:01                     Hundred percent, absolutely correct. And again, we’re going to go back to simply look, ladies, play the men’s team, play him. Then we’re going back to Billie Jean King and Bobby Riggs. But I kind of think he, he let her win, so whatever, but that if they play all, all they want the equality, like they say they’re equal and the men aren’t feeling sorry which to go and be equal now. Get, the men were feeling bad that they were killing them because the men are giving up now, so they’re not equal anymore. They will get destroyed. And then, well, that guy just said there is clearly irrelevant because they’re not equal and we’ve been about discrimination. People discriminate a hundred times a day. When they got married, they discriminated when they chose their wife, their partner, when they go get something to eat at a fast food or a restaurant, they’re discriminating between…why didn’t they pick the other restaurant. They’re just trying to see, they’re using the word discrimination. Have you point out in the wrong context and that’s the problem. They’re not equal. Sorry. As you said before, where’s the only place where you get a quality?

DJ:                                          25:53                     The local graveyard where everyone’s equally dead.

Jerry:                                     25:55                     Okay. Megan Rapinoe. That’s the, that’s the place that when you want equality, if you want it, that’s where you got to go. Sorry.

DJ:                                          26:01                     Well, it’s like you said, there’s no way that you can have total equality because earlier you brought up the results would always be a tie. If it was equal, there’d be no winners or losers, which once again we get to the participation trophies, which is the same exact, there’s the equality. That’s, that’s not the result of it.

Jerry:                                     26:16                     That’s not entertaining.

DJ:                                          26:18                     No, it’s not.

Jerry:                                     26:18                     So if all…

DJ:                                          26:19                     That’s what they want, that’s the outcome they are asking for. Whether they know it or not and may be unwittingly, but that’s what they’re asking for a tie in every single situation.

Jerry:                                     26:27                     If they want to bring the men’s pay down. Then men start tying all the time. The viewership would go down and they wouldn’t make the money they’re paying for.

DJ:                                          26:34                     It’s not just men. Every sport they want totally equality in every sport.

Jerry:                                     26:36                     It doesn’t, yeah. Women’s hockey, men’s hockey.

DJ:                                          26:38                     I’m going to get back to the Bobby Riggs and Billie Jean King because I don’t think Billy Jean King may have been the best woman at the time, but Bobby Riggs wasn’t. I would like to see the best woman play the best man in any sport. I don’t care if it’s golf. I don’t care if it’s a tennis like uh, Bobby Riggs and Billie Jean King. Any sport.

Jerry:                                     26:59                     And compete equally.

DJ:                                          26:59                     Oh, but you really want, but you really want to see a difference. Let’s look at hockey now.

Jerry:                                     27:04                     i was just going to….

DJ:                                          27:04                     I guarantee you there’s not a single one or very few anyways, there will be able to compete with the likes of Sydney Crosby or Claude Giroux or I mean any of the, the great players.

Jerry:                                     27:13                     Watching a Nhl game than watch a women’s game and you will see how slow and literally how anti checking the women are compared to the men. It’s not equal. It can’t be, I mean when I watched the women, the Olympic women and reminds me of men’s beer leagues, you know, some of the things they do in the size, I mean the women are kind of our size, you know, there are small, so it’s not the same, but I was going to bring up the women’s hockey. They’re good players and some of those games.

DJ:                                          27:39                     I think the women are great players, but they don’t, they’re not even close to being equal to the men, not even close as far as athletic sports goes.

Jerry:                                     27:47                     And put them on skates, the men would just, even though they’re on skates to, they would just tower over them. It wouldn’t be funny. It’d be horrifying it that really happened. So again, even for Ms Rapenoe and quality, it can’t happen. What she wants just will not happen. And I think you had brought up, she’s looking for an unequal advantage for all this here she wants to gain.

DJ:                                          28:07                     Now I just want to clarify. In Our world, I think women should have the equal opportunity to have any job they want. A very wise philosopher once said that a women should be able to have any job except professional football player or Longshoreman any other job a women should be able to go after and have. I totally agree with that. But I’m, I don’t see the kind of equality they’re looking for on any sports field. It cannot happen.

Jerry:                                     28:36                     Nope. I agree. And I don’t think when the US women dominated, uh, Thailand, it was dehumanizing. They were just, most of the press countries were outraged because they were celebrating after with 7-0 and 10-0. Well that’s, look, Thailand was horrible, but stop’em.

DJ:                                          28:51                     But that’s not also I heard, I also, people complain that they didn’t let up after seven.

Jerry:                                     28:55                     Absolutely.

DJ:                                          28:56                     No, but there is a point to scoring those goals. The point is that the tie breaker is in gold differential

Jerry:                                     29:01                     in soccer…

DJ:                                          29:02                     and it matters.

Jerry:                                     29:03                     Aggregate Score, and Alexi Lalas pointed that out. I don’t know the announcer, but he, I don’t know if he was the host or he was on the Olympic Committee, but he was going out them and he said, and I quote, they should’ve given up or let taking the foot off the throat after 3-0 then you didn’t need to score 4 it was over at halftime. They didn’t need to score. Seven goals and Alexia, basically saad what do you want them want to do, rollover.? Yes.

DJ:                                          29:25                     So, that means they roll over and then Thailand catches up and they lose.

Jerry:                                     29:29                     Brought that.

DJ:                                          29:29                     That’s okay?

Jerry:                                     29:30                     I brought that up earlier.

DJ:                                          29:31                     I think that’s what their goal is.

Jerry:                                     29:32                     That’s the whole point. We let up. They came back. We gave that game to them. How many times do we hear that? We lost that game. They didn’t win the game. We lost that. We gave that game to them. You’re right. That’s what they want.

DJ:                                          29:41                     One of the classic hallmark identifications of evil is hating the good for being good, not for their vices, not for their wrongdoings about, because they’re good. And this is an example of that. They didn’t go after them cause they did. They were bad. They went after them cause they’re too good.

Jerry:                                     30:00                     Yeah. It’s almost like the Detroit fans hating Matt Stafford because he’s good and they’re not. They’re jealous that they can’t do what he does and gets paid all that money.

DJ:                                          30:09                     Uh, I don’t know about Matt Stafford. I don’t think they hit him like that.

Jerry:                                     30:12                     Oh, but they do.

DJ:                                          30:13                     Better example is how Detroit fans hate Sidney Crosby cause he is so good. That’s…

Jerry:                                     30:20                     Your right. But Detroit fans hate Matthew Stafford on that level of (Sidney Crosby). I know that sounds ridiculous, but they do cause he hasn’t taken them anywhere. That’s a different topic.

DJ:                                          30:30                     It’s not as, hate is what I would apply to Sidney Crosby.

Jerry:                                     30:31                     It’s strong.

DJ:                                          30:34                     It’s more of a genuine, deep dislike. A disappointment because he didn’t take them to the promised land.

Jerry:                                     30:40                     When I hear sports radio and they bring up the Loins, there’s nothing but, and I’m talking venom and hate coming from these callers it and it’s not pretty. You’ll get one…

DJ:                                          30:50                     Are you sure it’s not coming from a place of disappointment or coming from a place of hate? I think it’s coming from a place of disappointment..

Jerry:                                     30:53                     I think. No, I think it’s jealousy cause they can’t do what Staffod does and Stafford makes $26 million. That bothers, I go to work, I’m a Joe lunchbox. I work 40 hours. He doesn’t work 40 hours. He is getting paid. It’s a jealousy, you know? It’s almost like they want that equality. If he can make 26 million.

DJ:                                          31:11                     First of all, they can’t do it as good as Stafford.

Jerry:                                     31:14                     I completely agree.

DJ:                                          31:14                     That’s no different than saying I want, I want Bill Gates money and they can’t do what he did as good as him.

Jerry:                                     31:20                     That’s why I bring it up because the women can’t do it with the men’s soccer team can. That’s why I brought that up. But some of the fans do hate certain of their stars because it’s an envy. They can’t do it. They think they’re better. They played high school sports. You know how many times I hear a person calling, I played college ball. Like they know what they’re talking about. They have to get that out there. They have to brag about it to make a justify that they can criticize, Matt Stafford. Now when really it’s because he makes all that money. Again, it’s a jealousy but we’re kind of digressing. But there’s also, if I don’t think Ms Rapinoe understands what she wants and the result that if it came through and you have a little story that you’re going to read, basically that’s going to explain what happens when it’s all equal.

DJ:          32:01     (From edoc.pub) This is, uh, by Kurt Vonnegut jr and it’s “Harrison Bergeron”. This can take about five or so minutes. So bear with me.

 THE YEAR WAS 2081, and everybody was finally equal. They weren’t only equal before God and the law. They were equal every which way. Nobody was smarter than anybody else. Nobody was better looking than anybody else. Nobody was stronger or quicker than anybody else. All this equality was due to the 211th, 212th, and 213th Amendments to the Constitution, and to the unceasing vigilance of agents of the United States Handicapper General.

Some things about living still weren’t quite right, though. April for instance, still drove people crazy by not being springtime. And it was in that clammy month that the H-G men took George and Hazel Bergeron’s fourteen-year-old son, Harrison, away.

It was tragic, all right, but George and Hazel couldn’t think about it very hard. Hazel had a perfectly average intelligence, which meant she couldn’t think about anything except in short bursts. And George, while his intelligence was way above normal, had a little mental handicap radio in his ear. He was required by law to wear it at all times. It was tuned to a government transmitter. Every twenty seconds or so, the transmitter would send out some sharp noise to keep people like George from taking unfair advantage of their brains.

George and Hazel were watching television. There were tears on Hazel’s cheeks, but she’d forgotten for the moment what they were about.

On the television screen were ballerinas.

A buzzer sounded in George’s head. His thoughts fled in panic, like bandits from a burglar alarm.

“That was a real pretty dance, that dance they just did,” said Hazel.

“Huh” said George.

“That dance-it was nice,” said Hazel.

“Yup,” said George. He tried to think a little about the ballerinas. They weren’t really very good-no better than anybody else would have been, anyway. They were burdened with sashweights and bags of birdshot, and their faces were masked, so that no one, seeing a free and graceful gesture or a pretty face, would feel like something the cat drug in. George was toying with the vague notion that maybe dancers shouldn’t be handicapped. But he didn’t get very far with it before another noise in his ear radio scattered his thoughts.

George winced. So did two out of the eight ballerinas.

Hazel saw him wince. Having no mental handicap herself, she had to ask George what the latest sound had been.

“Sounded like somebody hitting a milk bottle with a ball peen hammer,” said George.

“I’d think it would be real interesting, hearing all the different sounds,” said Hazel a little envious. “All the things they think up.”

“Um,” said George.

“Only, if I was Handicapper General, you know what I would do?” said Hazel. Hazel, as a matter of fact, bore a strong resemblance to the Handicapper General, a woman named Diana Moon Glampers. “If I was Diana Moon Glampers,” said Hazel, “I’d have chimes on Sunday-just chimes. Kind of in honor of religion.”

“I could think, if it was just chimes,” said George.

“Well-maybe make ’em real loud,” said Hazel. “I think I’d make a good Handicapper General.”

“Good as anybody else,” said George.

“Who knows better then I do what normal is?” said Hazel.

“Right,” said George. He began to think glimmeringly about his abnormal son who was now in jail, about Harrison, but a twenty-one-gun salute in his head stopped that.

“Boy!” said Hazel, “that was a doozy, wasn’t it?”

It was such a doozy that George was white and trembling, and tears stood on the rims of his red eyes. Two of of the eight ballerinas had collapsed to the studio floor, were holding their temples.

“All of a sudden you look so tired,” said Hazel. “Why don’t you stretch out on the sofa, so’s you can rest your handicap bag on the pillows, honeybunch.”

She was referring to the forty-seven pounds of birdshot in a canvas bag, which was padlocked around George’s neck. “Go on and rest the bag for a little while,” she said. “I don’t care if you’re not equal to me for a while.”

George weighed the bag with his hands. “I don’t mind it,” he said. “I don’t notice it any more. It’s just a part of me.”

“You been so tired lately-kind of wore out,” said Hazel. “If there was just some way we could make a little hole in the bottom of the bag, and just take out a few of them lead balls. Just a few.”

“Two years in prison and two thousand dollars fine for every ball I took out,” said George. “I don’t call that a bargain.”

“If you could just take a few out when you came home from work,” said Hazel. “I mean-you don’t compete with anybody around here. You just set around.”

“If I tried to get away with it,” said George, “then other people’d get away with it-and pretty soon we’d be right back to the dark ages again, with everybody competing against everybody else. You wouldn’t like that, would you?”

“I’d hate it,” said Hazel.

“There you are,” said George. The minute people start cheating on laws, what do you think happens to society?”

If Hazel hadn’t been able to come up with an answer to this question, George couldn’t have supplied one. A siren was going off in his head.

“Reckon it’d fall all apart,” said Hazel.

“What would?” said George blankly.

“Society,” said Hazel uncertainly. “Wasn’t that what you just said?

“Who knows?” said George.

The television program was suddenly interrupted for a news bulletin. It wasn’t clear at first as to what the bulletin was about, since the announcer, like all announcers, had a serious speech impediment. For about half a minute, and in a state of high excitement, the announcer tried to say, “Ladies and Gentlemen.”

He finally gave up, handed the bulletin to a ballerina to read.

“That’s all right-” Hazel said of the announcer, “he tried. That’s the big thing. He tried to do the best he could with what God gave him. He should geta nice raise for trying so hard.”

“Ladies and Gentlemen,” said the ballerina, reading the bulletin. She must have been extraordinarily beautiful, because the mask she wore was hideous. And it was easy to see that she was the strongest and most graceful of all the dancers, for her handicap bags were as big as those worn by two-hundred pound men.

And she had to apologize at once for her voice, which was a very unfair voice for a woman to use. Her voice was a warm, luminous, timeless melody. “Excuse me-” she said, and she began again, making her voice absolutely uncompetitive.

“Harrison Bergeron, age fourteen,” she said in a grackle squawk, “has just escaped from jail, where he was held on suspicion of plotting to overthrow the government. He is a genius and an athlete, is under-handicapped, and should be regarded as extremely dangerous.”

A police photograph of Harrison Bergeron was flashed on the screen-upside down, then sideways, upside down again, then right side up. The picture showed the full length of Harrison against a background calibrated in feet and inches. He was exactly seven feet tall.

The rest of Harrison’s appearance was Halloween and hardware. Nobody had ever born heavier handicaps. He had outgrown hindrances faster than the H-G men could think them up. Instead of a little ear radio for a mental handicap, he wore a tremendous pair of earphones, and spectacles with thick wavy lenses. The spectacles were intended to make him not only half blind, but to give him whanging headaches besides.

Scrap metal was hung all over him. Ordinarily, there was a certain symmetry, a military neatness to the handicaps issued to strong people, but Harrison looked like a walking junkyard. In the race of life, Harrison carried three hundred pounds.

And to offset his good looks, the H-G men required that he wear at all times a red rubber ball for a nose, keep his eyebrows shaved off, and cover his even white teeth with black caps at snaggle-tooth random.

“If you see this boy,” said the ballerina, “do not – I repeat, do not – try to reason with him.”

There was the shriek of a door being torn from its hinges.

Screams and barking cries of consternation came from the television set. The photograph of Harrison Bergeron on the screen jumped again and again, as though dancing to the tune of an earthquake.

George Bergeron correctly identified the earthquake, and well he might have – for many was the time his own home had danced to the same crashing tune. “My God-” said George, “that must be Harrison!”

The realization was blasted from his mind instantly by the sound of an automobile collision in his head.

When George could open his eyes again, the photograph of Harrison was gone. A living, breathing Harrison filled the screen.

Clanking, clownish, and huge, Harrison stood – in the center of the studio. The knob of the uprooted studio door was still in his hand. Ballerinas, technicians, musicians, and announcers cowered on their knees before him, expecting to die.

“I am the Emperor!” cried Harrison. “Do you hear? I am the Emperor! Everybody must do what I say at once!” He stamped his foot and the studio shook.

“Even as I stand here” he bellowed, “crippled, hobbled, sickened – I am a greater ruler than any man who ever lived! Now watch me become what I can become!”

Harrison tore the straps of his handicap harness like wet tissue paper, tore straps guaranteed to support five thousand pounds.

Harrison’s scrap-iron handicaps crashed to the floor.

Harrison thrust his thumbs under the bar of the padlock that secured his head harness. The bar snapped like celery. Harrison smashed his headphones and spectacles against the wall.

He flung away his rubber-ball nose, revealed a man that would have awed Thor, the god of thunder.

“I shall now select my Empress!” he said, looking down on the cowering people. “Let the first woman who dares rise to her feet claim her mate and her throne!”

A moment passed, and then a ballerina arose, swaying like a willow.

Harrison plucked the mental handicap from her ear, snapped off her physical handicaps with marvelous delicacy. Last of all he removed her mask.

She was blindingly beautiful.

“Now-” said Harrison, taking her hand, “shall we show the people the meaning of the word dance? Music!” he commanded.

The musicians scrambled back into their chairs, and Harrison stripped them of their handicaps, too. “Play your best,” he told them, “and I’ll make you barons and dukes and earls.”

The music began. It was normal at first-cheap, silly, false. But Harrison snatched two musicians from their chairs, waved them like batons as he sang the music as he wanted it played. He slammed them back into their chairs.

The music began again and was much improved.

Harrison and his Empress merely listened to the music for a while-listened gravely, as though synchronizing their heartbeats with it.

They shifted their weights to their toes.

Harrison placed his big hands on the girls tiny waist, letting her sense the weightlessness that would soon be hers.

And then, in an explosion of joy and grace, into the air they sprang!

Not only were the laws of the land abandoned, but the law of gravity and the laws of motion as well.

They reeled, whirled, swiveled, flounced, capered, gamboled, and spun.

They leaped like deer on the moon.

The studio ceiling was thirty feet high, but each leap brought the dancers nearer to it.

It became their obvious intention to kiss the ceiling. They kissed it.

And then, neutraling gravity with love and pure will, they remained suspended in air inches below the ceiling, and they kissed each other for a long, long time.

It was then that Diana Moon Glampers, the Handicapper General, came into the studio with a double-barreled ten-gauge shotgun. She fired twice, and the Emperor and the Empress were dead before they hit the floor.

Diana Moon Glampers loaded the gun again. She aimed it at the musicians and told them they had ten seconds to get their handicaps back on.

It was then that the Bergerons’ television tube burned out.

Hazel turned to comment about the blackout to George. But George had gone out into the kitchen for a can of beer.

George came back in with the beer, paused while a handicap signal shook him up. And then he sat down again. “You been crying” he said to Hazel.

“Yup,” she said.

“What about?” he said.

“I forget,” she said. “Something real sad on television.”

“What was it?” he said.

“It’s all kind of mixed up in my mind,” said Hazel.

“Forget sad things,” said George.

“I always do,” said Hazel.

“That’s my girl,” said George. He winced. There was the sound of a rivetting gun in his head.

“Gee – I could tell that one was a doozy,” said Hazel.

“You can say that again,” said George.

“Gee-” said Hazel, “I could tell that one was a doozy.”

 There is the ultimate outcome of the equality these people are asking for.

Jerry:                                     43:25                     So yes, Ms. Rapinoe. Is that what you want? Is that what you’re looking for? Because that’s what you’re going to get when you want equality. End it at that.

DJ:                                      43:34                   This is the grand designs podcast. Let me tell you where you can get in touch with us first before we let you go. Our website is GrantDesignsPodcast.com. Our email is GrantDesignsPodcasts@Yahoo. Uh, you can follow us on Twitter @GrandDesignsPod. Instagram is at GrandDesignsPodcast. You can hear this podcast just about anywhere you get podcasts. Now, this is the Grand Design Podcast. Who are you listening to?

Grand Designs Podcast – Episode 7 – Equality in Sports Transcript

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This is Grand Designs podcast with DJ and Jerry Grand where we link the chains of reason of sports, politics and culture.

[00:00:34] DJ: Welcome to the episode 7 of the Grand Designs Podcast. My name is DJ Grand and I’m here with my partner Jerry Grand.

Jerry: Hello again.

DJ: Before we get started. I need to tell you how to get in touch with us. There’s always our email at granddesignspodcast@yahoo.com. You can get in touch with us at our website at granddesignspodcast.com and there you can also leave us some feedback telling [00:01:04] us any advice, you can give us bad or good criticism. We need to hear it all to make us better. You can also at Instagram, that’s @granddesignspodcast and on Twitter, it’s @greatdesignspod. Today, we’re going to be talking about equality in sports. But before we start, I need to lay down what equality actually means. In a free society, equality can only mean equality before the law because no one can be equal at all times. [00:01:34] You can’t have everyone equal. In fact, I can be a better runner, someone can be a better fielder and you can go on and on and on. The only true equality is that the local graveyard, where everyone is equally dead. So, that being said we’re going to talk about equality and sports and just start off its transgenders in sports.

Jerry: Well, most recently. We had a wrestler and I think it was Colorado who wasn’t a transgender [00:02:04] of the first one this was a state championship where the male forfeited the final championship match because he was wrestling a girl. It was against his religious beliefs and how he was raised. The girl, she took it personally because she basically said I’m offended because he’s thinking me about girl wrestler, when I’m a wrestler. So, she took it personally that he did not want to wrestle her like she was a male wrestler. So, he forfeited the match and he’s kind of catching [00:02:34] some grief that he just didn’t want to take her on and I kind of see where he’s coming from because even if he wins, does he win?

DJ: Well, I get your point. He’s going to hear it both ways no matter what.

Jerry: If he loses

DJ: They’ll say all you couldn’t beat a girl, if he wins, they’ll say you beat a girl.

Jerry: Exactly, that’s my whole point.

DJ: However, I don’t think she you can’t separate it. She is a girl wrestler. I mean that’s a fact that’s an existential fact. She’s a female wrestler.

Jerry: Correct. I don’t [00:03:04] think she helped the cause any because like you had brought up the transgender wrestlers or not wrestlers, the sprinters who dominate the girls Championship. Andrea Yearwood, a seventeen-year-old biological male who identifies as a female and Terry Miller who also transgendered easily took first and second in their state championship matches. Now again, was that an equal competition to where both these guys I know legally on the birth certificate says, [00:03:34] they’re girls. They’re not girls.

DJ: Well, the problem is they actually took two spots for legitimate females because they are better and you can say it’s because they were born male, but either way they were better and they took two spots of two biological females and one of them actually spoke up. Her name was, her last name was Soule and she basically said,” I fully support and happy with these athletes [00:04:04] for being true to themselves. They should have the right to express themselves in school, but athletes have always had an extra rule to keep the competition fair,” and honestly, it’s not fair. It’s not fair to the biological females. It’s about it’s a level. I think it’s okay to go from female to male because the male competition is going to sound sexist, but I don’t mean it that way. The male competition is fiercer. It’s more competitive, it’s harder if they can do that the female go up to the male, great [00:04:34] go for it. I think that’s great. But going from a male body, which is more dominant than the female body biologically speaking. I think that’s where it becomes wrong. I think that becomes an unfair advantage, not to the transgenders but to the biological females.

Jerry: So, how do you achieve equality in that situation? Because that’s what they’re looking for equality in sports. Really equality throughout the entire world politics, equal pay. We’re going [00:05:04] to get into that with the NCAA, not the NCAA the U.S. Women’s soccer team how they want equal pay as the men’s team it just, it’s not going to happen. We’ll going to do why later but getting back to the wrestler, one of the transgenders that had wrestled and won his match the girl he beat basically has said this guy was stronger than any girl ever

DJ: That was different then the wrestling you brought up before

Jerry: correct

DJ: it doesn’t happen in Texas,

Jerry: Correct, that was separate

DJ: it was all because of a technicality in the Texas rules that says you [00:05:34] have to wrestle by what is on your birth certificate

Jerry: Correct

DJ: they had already transferred

Jerry: but why bring it up though is because she had said she had never felt something so strong before and she didn’t really think it was fair that she had to go against this guy. Well, she’s contradicting the first girl who said I’m a wrestler not a girl wrestler because this girl said, hey, I’m a girl. I’m not a guy I had to go against the guy. So, they’re both going against (each other) they’re saying the exact opposite because one wanted to wrestle a boy, but in the other one had to wrestle a transgender who is [00:06:04] a boy and she didn’t want it, no

DJ: well as far as that Texas one goes, the transgender who became a female. He, uh, she wanted to wrestle boys. She actually said it because of my body, I want to wrestle boys. They wouldn’t let her. Because of what’s on her birth certificate, she had to wrestle against girls

Jerry: and she would be in that if that case was to go through should be a girl wrestling boys, right? Even though she’s a boy, she’d be [00:06:34] labeled as a boy or a girl in the boys’ league and that’s not what the case is and that’s why they wouldn’t let it happen because here you got now what is labeled as a girl really competing and being these boys. Do you follow me? It’s not a girl. It’s a boy

DJ: it can be so, so confusing.

Jerry: Well, it’s kind of confusing now, but again, the confusing part is you got two female saying the exact opposite when one who wants to wrestle a boy and she feels insulted that he looks at her as a girl wrestler when [00:07:04] this transgender really put it to the other girl and she wanted nothing to do with males. I’m a girl wrestler. They’re saying the exact opposite. Basically, what they’re saying is, it’s not what you are. It’s not a fair equal level of competition.

Ryan: You mind if I chime in real quick?

Jerry: please

DJ: Ryan, please, go ahead.

Ryan: I just wanted to say that there’s this weird thing that they’re doing with all that stuff where they have, you know, actually people transitioning into the other sex and then there’s like identifying and [00:07:34] that’s the thing that kind of like, I don’t really get too much because it seems like if especially you’re competing in a sport or something if you just identify as the opposite, you know, if it’s a boy to a girl, girl to boy, whatever. Unless you’re like fully transitioning. Like chemically, you know with hormones and all this stuff. It’s like there might be a better argument there. But if you’re just like no, I feel like a girl or I feel like a boy and I want to do this sport. You know, it’s just really weird in [00:08:04] that.

DJ: You’re absolutely right. What if Tiger Woods put a wig on

Ryan: I’m not just saying I feel like a girl.

DJ: Yeah. Okay, you’re right and then went down to play in the LPGA and had to drive from the shorter tee, you know,

Ryan: yeah

DJ: I totally agree with you, you know, I still think because of bone structure because of biological starting point that the transgenders have in a way it’s not fair. I don’t want to call it cheating but I don’t think it’s fair. However, you do bring up a good point. But as far [00:08:34] as Texas goes, they only allow you to compete as a transgender if you are going through transgender therapy, if you are taking a low dose of testosterone,

Ryan: Yeah

DJ: But that is still steroids. I mean

Ryan: Yeah, yeah

DJ: It’s still not fair. It’s not equal because the girls that they’re going against aren’t taking those steroids. They can’t have those steroids.

Ryan: Yeah,

DJ: Even if it is a low dose it’s still some steroids

Jerry: But there was a movie made it a while ago about just what you’re talking about or a black athlete couldn’t make it in the pros and [00:09:04] he went into the women’s league and just he dressed as a lady he got off,

Ryan: Oh yeah, I forgot about that

Jerry: but it looks like that. I don’t know if it was a comedy. I don’t know I forget the film or actual title, but he just he was a star of the league and he was MVP of the league, but he wasn’t a girl he was he made it look like to everybody the commissioner the fans that he was a lady and he dominated, he was a star. So yes, you’re correct. It’s cheating.

Ryan: Yeah, yeah

Jerry: because he couldn’t compete and that’s the whole point. He even said that I can’t do it here. I can’t make in the NBA and then he got this [00:09:34] idea where, hey, I could go against the girl. Someone had said he had cheekbones and he gave me the idea and he went took it and he got busted at the end broke a lot of hearts and stuff. But I just thought about that when you were asking that question because that’s the kind of what it’s like,

Ryan: yeah, that’s good point.

Jerry: Now, getting back to what you were saying about the female, the football player, the safety. What was the college she was accepted to? Southern Georgia or Georgia Southern?

DJ:  I think was in Missouri.

Jerry: Okay well, that could be,

DJ: Hold on, I got it right here. A Missouri University signed [00:10:04] a female defensive back to play college football making her the first female non-kicker to sign a letter of intent for the sport

Jerry: Now

DJ: According to ESPN.

Jerry: That’s one of your situations where it’s going the other way where she’s coming in. Okay,

DJ: She’s going from the lower to the higher. It’s when you go from the higher, the male’s, the men’s to the lower. There’s where…I wouldn’t call it cheating but I see it is as unfair.

Jerry: I’m interested to see how she would fare but at 5’3” 138 lbs., the NFL combine just concluded today or over the weekend, a receiver 6’4” 240 lbs., [00:10:34] ran a 4.33. I can’t see her guarding him and it look it’d be entertainment. There’s the problem becomes entertainment because now we’re going to want to be seeing if these girls want to volunteer to, that I can play, they’re going to get just lit up and destroyed

DJ: Or…

 and it’s going to come to where they want to people want to actually see that like in the days of the Romans it was death.

DJ: That could happen or the men could end up holding back not wanting it, because they know it’s a female they’re not going to hit as hard. They’re going to hold back a little bit. I’m not saying all of them will [00:11:04] but it’s a very good possibility

Jerry: You’ll get that one

DJ: They could get hurt doing that

Jerry: I hate to use a name

Ryan: It just take one guy,

Jerry: You’ll get that one guy, that’s just going to want to light her up, you know, and then, especially, when they’re playing and she goes to pick it off and you how they can be vulnerable and he sees that she’s I mean, it’s not going to be pretty I just don’t think, she can handle it, but I just kind of feeling that would not be a good. It’s kind of like a locomotive going against a little Volkswagen. It’s not going to turn out this in a good result.

Ryan: What’s the like lightest weight? I guess, just in maybe NFL [00:11:34] or something like that? Like, I don’t know if you guys know that.

Jerry: It’s not 138.

Ryan: Yeah, that’s what I’m saying, because he’s a grown-ass man. And so, it’s like it probably one. I don’t know, you know,

Jerry:  they’re not even the ones I mean 190

Ryan: Yeah

Jerry: I think 190 lbs., 180 lbs. you’re considered light and you’re not going to make it. Kyler Murray the number one, of the best quarterback the whole point before the combines. It was his…he didn’t participate this whole thing was height and weight that people thought it was 5-9. He was 5’10” and 180 and [00:12:04] he was over 200 pounds. Now, he’s the projected number one pick and now you’re getting into where she’s 138 lbs.

Ryan: Yeah, it’s like you can’t, you know, you can’t even eat that much to get even higher and all that.

Jerry: Even if she’s quick. I can’t see her even…

Ryan: She’s not going to be able to take a hit

DJ: As a defensive back, (she’s) also too short. All you have to do is throw over the top of her unless you can really have a high vertical leap.

Jerry: True, but Earl Campbell is not playing but you have some players that are like that. Earl Campbell, he [00:12:34] ran after defensive backs the one’s that didn’t want to tackle him, he ran after them to run them over. He had that mentality and I think that mentality would still be there to where they would look for her to just truck her.

DJ: Well, it’s not just in football though. Look, they’ve got divisions in both basketball and hockey. I don’t think a woman, may be in goalie, but I don’t think a woman…looks do you think a woman could take on Ryan Reeves of the Golden Knights in hockey?

Jerry: My question would be why are there that was the case? Why are there even separation? Why [00:13:04] not just all the girls and guys show up and we’ll try out and it’s equal level competition. Why is it because separated to girls, girls’ basketball, men’s basketball?

DJ: For the most are for the most part the men would out-compete them and you’d have your anomaly, your exception to the rule, absolutely. But for the most part, you’d still have all the men in one League. That’s why wouldn’t, it won’t work

Jerry: But it’s coming to that because you have these girls that, basically, I can play, I want to be treated equal and now we’ll get into a little bit about the [00:13:34] USA Women’s soccer team. They had won three of four World Cups, the men haven’t won in decades and they want the same pay as the men pay equality. It shouldn’t matter but the chance of the money coming in for the revenue of the…of the actual television and they were watched more but they didn’t get the big time Super Bowl advertisement like the men bring in so they want equal pay.

DJ: Well, the problem I have with equal pay on any level, not just in sports, [00:14:04] but even in the regular world is it’s a Marxist notion. It’s arbitrary. You think that you’re smart enough that you can decide what the right proper rate is. Even men don’t have equal pay with other men. In a free market and that’s what, time after time, I’m talking about choice and if you want choice you cannot have equal pay it just doesn’t exist. I started off by saying there’s no such thing as equality. Egalitarianism is a false notion in this context because you cannot be equal. [00:14:34] I can be a better writer than you, you can be a better singer than me. There is no such thing as equality in that context, just before the law.

Jerry: So, the women’s soccer players will never get the equal pay that they’re seeking as the men.

DJ:  I won’t say never. They could but just like when you build your brand up and that causes…it’s like Google against Yahoo! Search. Google’s brand is so great nnd Yahoo’s is little, comparatively. If Yahoo were to build theirs up, they would eventually get equal search.

Jerry: So, when they get the TV Revenue that [00:15:04] the men have

DJ: That would come when they built their brand up, but for the most part even if they are winning, it’s also a false notion that winning championships is what causes higher pay. If that was the case then every single person on the New England Patriots would have Skyrocket salaries because they’ve won the most lately.

Jerry: Lately, okay,

DJ: so, it that the championships do not guarantee pay and it doesn’t guarantee viewership. So, what guarantees the viewership is interest. The free market interests

Jerry: So, the flaw in their argument is it’s not guaranteed pay because they’ve [00:15:34] won more championships than the men have and how many whatever time periods they are using.

DJ: I think the flaw is they’re using Marxist Notions, which is its pragmatic in one, it doesn’t matter about equality because is it, you talk about fairness, is it fair to bring the men down to make it equal to the women? Is that fair to the men? I mean, that’s what you’re talking about. That’s the only way you couldn’t make it equal. You got to bring them down. Otherwise, you’re bankrupt the league.

Jerry: Well, that’s bringing down the TV for the revenue. [00:16:04] Who’s going to watch it? Not just viewership. But basically, I’ll pay three million for a minute for the men’s versus when the woman’s play, they don’t charge that much the pay’s not going to be there.

DJ: That’s based on the free market. It’s based on choice.

Jerry:  I agree

DJ: about viewers on their own choosing to view one over the other it’s not about who wins the championship. It never was. They’re running from a false premise to say that just because they win they deserve more money. It’s a false premise.

Jerry: I would agree but getting back to what we can show some examples [00:16:34] where the girls can compete, back in 2012 for name is Sam Gordon. Remember her do you know who she is?

DJ: female high school football player?

Jerry: Well, she didn’t play high school. I’m looking I got here on the internet and in a nine-year-old Peewee League. Nine years old, she had 35 touchdowns on 232 carries with a total of 1911 rushing yards. And this is mainly with all-male teams and I’ve seen the videos of her back in 2012 and yeah, she’s like a little Barry Sanders. They couldn’t catch her. They couldn’t stop her. She [00:17:04] also led the team in tackles, but as she grew up in 2015, she made her own women’s league so she could keep competing because at that point she could not compete in high school football. She realized it she wasn’t going to compete with the boys at that level even though when she was nine, she led the league

DJ: That’s a good example. Wouldn’t she be able to compete if they were truly equal?

Jerry: I mean she realized it I guess she said…

DJ: What caused her to stop? Size difference. Physiological difference

Jerry: She realized them to that when she when she grew up that it wasn’t going to she couldn’t do what she was doing at nine. [00:17:34] She wasn’t doing good until high school, but there’s an example what you were saying where it’s okay for the girls to go into the boy’s league because she could compete. She was a success and I went around my team.

DJ:  at that time, she was physically able to

Jerry: At that time, she could do it. There’s a video that went viral. I’ve heard just turned up and she got the boys. Yeah, they’re nine years old. They couldn’t tackle her. I mean she was competing at a higher level than those boys. So, she gave a good example of there are situations where the girls can compete with

DJ: there are I’m not denying, I’m not saying that a [00:18:04] girl cannot be with compete with with men or girls with boys? Absolutely they can and but it’s rare. It’s an exception to the rule but that doesn’t mean they can’t. We used to play Adult Hockey. I remember facing off against a girl, a woman and it actually took me off my game because instead of getting fierce, I’m looking up (at a face-off) and seeing mascara and it totally took me off my game, but they couldn’t do it but there’s no problem with it.

Jerry: But we also had a female goalie on our team who the other team when they seen [00:18:34] it they got all excited. They thought

DJ: Until they saw her play

Jerry: and then they realized this girl’s not that bad if she could hang. She won us some games.

DJ: Absolutely, and you can take it into martial arts. When I used to do Choi Kwang Do, the first time I went up against a woman my mind was it’s…

Jerry: Psychologically

DJ: it’s a girl I should be able to take this until she took her foot and put it right over my head. And then I realize, oh, I’m in trouble women are absolutely able to compete with men, but it’s a rarity. But, for the most part men are physically superior in [00:19:04] sports and athletics.

Jerry: So, the problem basically is, maybe problem is a bad word. It’s when the guys who want to change their gender and compete in the girl’s league. So, they’re actually taking a step down to where the girls are going to step up in the competition.

DJ: Yeah. I don’t see that as a problem when the girls go up to the guys. In fact, I think it’s great. But when you transgender and you have the right to do that not going to stop anyone from doing that if they feel comfortable doing that but I don’t think you should be able to compete going downward [00:19:34] going from male to female. What do you have a solution to?

Jerry: Oh, no, you have a good example of with the MMA.

DJ: Oh, well Fallon Fox, here’s where Ryan can step in. I mean, do you think it’s fair for a transgender to be able to fight against other women?

Ryan: No, I mean I would my opinion would be no but it’s adds a tough tricky situation because you know, a lot of people that think otherwise, so

DJ: Do they do they even in the WWE [00:20:04] is it just women in the WWE? I know that’s not technically this sport

Jerry: I haven’t watched a long time.

Ryan: Yeah there. I mean there’s a lot of women and there and

DJ: yeah, but did they go male female?

Ryan: It’s more for I would again I’m no expert on this but I think it’d be more for entertainment value and again they know what’s going to happen. So even if it is like a big guy against a woman, I mean, they’re going to know how it’s going to be all played out.

DJ: No, you’re right, it’s choreographed. I’m just wondering if it happens.

Ryan: I’m sure it does but it’s [00:20:34] definitely more entertainment value than

DJ: and is Fallon Fox the only instance you can think of in MMA where a transgender?

Ryan:  I don’t think so. That’s the only one I know of so,

Jerry: yeah, but he kind of…she hurt some girls.

DJ: Well, according to Ryan that happens even with male-to-male correct?

Ryan:  yeah. Well, you know, it’s a sport where you’re supposed to hurt people so

Jerry: I agree but

DJ: but you’re not as a male, I don’t think you’re supposed to hurt a female not in that context.

Jerry: What did he do with first opponent in the [00:21:04] was the first round?

DJ: it wasn’t it was the one of his last opponents actually,

Jerry: Sorry

DJ:  that’s alright. He broke her orbital bone.

Jerry: broke her orbital bone. Now you see now that’s just it’s a whole different meaning now when they go in there because he can do that. He’s stronger than she is. Would you agree?

DJ: Oh, absolutely.

Jerry: So, that kind of thing that that’s my point. You know.

Ryan: Yeah.

Jerry: I don’t know the names but Adam Silva against Brock Lesnar. Yeah, they break the orbital bone. That’s an achievement. But that’s just the rareness was it called a lucky punch sometimes [00:21:34] or I forget the term

Ryan: Yeah, I mean

Jerry: but that’s a different context and this guy going in and come on.

DJ: He was so lucky because of the physical advantage.

Jerry: That’s my point.

DJ: Yeah, the transgender and over the biological

Jerry: if it wasn’t lucky because he had a force that she doesn’t have

DJ: it was unfair. Unfair to the biological female

Ryan: and that’s like the things that you’re dealing with weight classes, you know, it just get kind of tricky with it and again like the you know the different kind of, you know muscle like a male and a female would [00:22:04] have you know, there is a difference with that and yeah, it’s just it’s very weird and strange when it comes to a sport like, you know, when you have to hurt someone because yeah NFL and hockey there are you know, you’re out you’re out there to be physical but you’re not out there to take people’s heads off per se, you know,

Jerry: correct?

DJ: Absolutely.

Jerry: But the MMA you pretty much are

Ryan: yeah, I mean that is

Jerry: and going into that against a male going in against a girl they do not do that the MMA as far as a male fighting a you know male [00:22:34] being a male thing a girl.

Ryan: No, not that I know of and not like, you know UFC’s or you know, like belt are some stuff like that like actual leagues and stuff. But you know, you got you obviously have to go with these people and like training though. So I wonder how that is because you know, like even like Ronda Rousey and just any other person has sparred with, you know, males and stuff so,

Jerry:  correct.

Ryan: I wonder what

Jerry: And that’s good question

Ryan: of stories happen with there because that’s just no rules, you know, [00:23:04] obviously I hope everyone would be nice but you don’t know, you know, some know I could test a girl, you know,

Jerry: Well, that’s just it it takes a little bit too far. Yeah, you know back but I could see The Spar net. That’s a good question. Yeah, but I wouldn’t think that as a promoting for the UFC fights. I have never seen a girl going against a guy

Ryan: No

Jerry: Where was just go versus geis always been weight class and gender versus gender, Boy versus boy girl boy versus girl.

Ryan: Yeah. Exactly.

Jerry: Yeah now but as far as Fallon Fox, I mean, are there any other opinions out [00:23:34] there about what he’s done? Is he retired ore still going?

DJ: Oh he I think because he lost to Ashlee Evans-Smith that kind of ruined it for him. I don’t think he was a lesser. He wasn’t ever on the title card. I don’t think so

Ryan: No, I don’t think so.

DJ: I don’t think I ever advanced that far and I think that happen because he lost but

Jerry: Was his motive  that he actually wanted to become a woman or was it because he wanted to compete knowing full well going back to my basketball movie, I wish that I could remember that title he knew he wasn’t going to succeed with the guys. So, he [00:24:04] goes and has this transgender thing happened just to compete against the girls.

DJ: Well, according to what I read, he actually felt it when he was younger, but he was in a it was a strong Christian home. He felt that he would and I think he even said that he would be thrown into the Lake of Fire according to his parents if he came out and he and so he tried even was in the Navy and then when he came out of the Navy he transitioned over and then went into MMA

Jerry: So, he already transitioned before he went into MMA

DJ; Yeah, so I’m not sure

Jerry: that’s [00:24:34] interesting.

DJ: I really like to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Jerry: Yeah,

DJ: that he didn’t sit there and twist his mustache and say I’m going to become

Ryan: That’s a bold move.

DJ: Exactly

Jerry: He did not do that, It just happened.

DJ: Yes. Yes.

Jerry: Okay,

DJ: but I think he should’ve disqualified himself. If you’re going to transition over than just your career should be over, too, in that

Jerry: but how do you turn at yeah, but if you transition over it and what is the levels that you are now? The same physiology or estrogen level, whatever it may be, that you are now [00:25:04] a woman and now you can compete with them because you’re on the same level. Is that possible?

DJ: Well, my only solution, maybe I’m bringing this up too early, but it’s they have to compete against other transgenders, so called cisgenders.

Jerry: So a transgender division.

DJ: Yes, you would have that that to me would be the only way you can have it fair. It couldn’t be equal because they even then they would still be some would be better than the others. But at least then it’d be fair because they’re come up with the same bone structure, the same biological starting point and then they can compete.

Jerry: And [00:25:34] the treatment the same to

DJ: absolutely I even in terms of the high school sports of sprinting of track. I think the same thing they’re going to have to. Right now. I think I read it’s like .06 percent of the population is transgender. So, the may not be enough Demand yet, but eventually they’re going to have to make their own separate division just for transgender. It’s the only way I can come up with to make it fair.

Jerry: You’re correct. As it grows, you’re correct, as it grows

Ryan: See, if he would have done that though. He would have been the Champion. He would have been the only one in the there.

DJ: Good point

Jerry: He would been the only one fighting [00:26:08] himself.

Ryan: No one fights me, you know,

Jerry: it’s a good marketing thing for him undefeated.

Ryan: Yeah, exactly.

Jerry: So, is it possible? Can we…is it possible to have this equality in sports? Look when I went through and you played Sports your whole life and we were coached we’re always told this goes into life you learn your lessons in sports and transfers to life. So, can you achieve a quality in life?  

DJ: My problem [00:26:38] is its philosophical, it’s epistemological. You cannot have concepts that are fluid. They don’t exist. According to Aristotle’s Law of identity, it is what it is and it cannot be both one thing and another, not at the same time that if that’s the Law of Identity, the law of Excluded Middle and that’s not what transgender is. It’s both it’s fluid. They even say it. They would say that the gender is a fluid. That is epistemologically flawed. And that is the [00:27:08] problem that I see. They need to tie down what they are. And even if even if they are going to say the transgender the way I tie it down is that they compete with other transgenders.

Jerry: I’m thinking about a rule in college. I’m not sure if division one has nothing to do with transgenders but has something to do with the volleyball, if there’s a men’s team you got to have a woman’s team.

DJ: That’s Title IX

Jerry: that if we’re ever going to have quality is

DJ: It was trying to. Well, since you’re going to bring that up, I don’t think they’re honest on that they want equality because [00:27:38] I did my own research on volleyball and NCAA volleyball Women’s Division 1, there are 337 teams different schools with division one volleyball

Jerry: women’s volleyball

DJ: women’s volleyball. Men’s volleyball, the total is 47 Division 1 and division 2 in division 1, they have just 22 teams. So, 22 versus 337. Where’s the equality in that and have you heard any of those that are complaining about equality [00:28:08] bring that up?

Jerry: So, if you reverse it if the men had the 337 and the women have the 25

DJ: Title IX would be enacted and be a what we got to make this all equal but because it’s the other way around and there’s it on an unbalanced in that way. That’s fine and dandy you can be unbalanced when it goes against men and pro-woman. But if you go

Jerry: we’re going to life now because it happens pretty much every day where I work at where there’s some heavy lifting involved box, but whatever shipment comes in and the women, no that’s a guy’s [00:28:38] job. That’s a man’s job. I shouldn’t have to lift. Yet they want equality

DJ: and you want to go into life.

Jerry: So, should they be required to lift that box if they want equality?

DJ: see

Jerry: isn’t that what the Title IX where we got to give the we got 50 men’s teams. We got have 50 women’s team. Well that’s different though. If we have a hundred women’s team in only two men’s team.

Ryan: I want the door held open for me at times

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DJ: where where I see a huge [00:29:08] problem as it were I don’t want equality and a judge just ruled that The Selective Service registering for the armed services at 18 if it’s if since so many women are now in the armed services now women should have to start to register to

Jerry: The draft?

DJ: Yes, for the draft. I got I have a huge problem with that. I’m thinking of my girl. I know my girl is more feminine than masculine. She would not be able to make it and I know there’s no way I want that. My [00:29:38] daughter would never be able to make it.

Jerry: I have two girls also. They’re a little bit older than yours is still the same point. I would not want them to go into war nor do I want them to be captured by the enemy at any single time that see that’s going to do a whole different thing when it comes to war.

DJ: Now you’re talking about equality. I mean if we’re going to go full equality. Well then if you’re going to draft males, you have to draft females. I mean, this is my point of the separation between the women and the men in volleyball. It only goes one way. It doesn’t go both ways.

Jerry: So, it’s [00:30:08] not equal

DJ: It’s what I started this from so can’t be equal. It’s an impossibility. The only way is equality before the law. When you go in front of a judge everyone should be equal, treated equally, is what I mean by that if the lot of they broke the law they should be punished according to the law just because of the breaking the law not because they’re a man not because they’re female not because of the race not because of their gender or any of that.

Jerry: So, when they talk about equal pay it should not be judged on just the your gender [00:30:38] as your pay, it’s your achievement.

DJ: There’s so much with the Equal Pay argument it is so arrogant to think that any person whether it’s a bureaucrat or just some Joe sitting a six-pack Joe on the couch thinking that they can determine the right price the right pay because that’s determined by the free market and I mean totally free market not crony capitalism,

Jerry: which we don’t have

DJ: We don’t have it ideally. We’ve never had it. We’ve never had it we should have it because we were truly free market truly pure laissez-faire [00:31:08] capitalists, then we would we wouldn’t be having this argument because the free market would determine it but with a problem is the Socialist put a little the anti-free marketers put a little bit of correction in it and that is flawed. So, we got to correct that the government’s got to step in and that gets flawed and so we got to correct that and next thing, you know, the controls take over more than the free market. That’s the problem. We need a totally free market, laissez-faire, hands off.

Jerry: So, no matter what then the day you’re not going to achieve the equality that the others [00:31:38] want

DJ: You can’t. In a free Society, how can you have equality if you’re free?

Jerry: I think we’re going back to sports. How can you achieve equality in the sport the same question?

DJ: It’s it goes well beyond Sports. I mean like we talked about politics and culture. You can’t have free time. You can’t have freedom and equality, not as far as ability goes, not as far as pay goes. Someone may have a better house than you. Some may have a better car than you. There’s no…you cannot have that kind of [00:32:08] equality. Only before the law.

Jerry: No, I completely agree. If there was a woman out there who could hit 80 home runs in one year, she’d be playing in the major league baseball right now

DJ: absolutely

Jerry: would be paid appropriately like Bryce Harper, I think his name is who just sign that 333-million-dollar deal because he could hit home runs. It’s as if the girls could do it they would pay them.

DJ: They complain about European soccer that they are the richest teams but yet there are no female soccer teams that are equivalent. Well, it’s just like the WNBA in [00:32:38] our country they exist but they are not equal not even close not in viewership not in talent. There just aren’t equal. One day, I guess maybe if you had if you had enough of those anomalies those exceptions to the rules, maybe one team could be equal get close to being equal but it’s not possible.

Jerry: There’s also a good example in the 40s, when we when the women had their chance to for the women’s baseball league and the men couldn’t they couldn’t compete because they are often the war [00:33:08] they had it out of themselves and they struggled and when the men came back from the war it wasn’t even close. What do they do? They disbanded the girls League? Well again, they could make the money was all about money. They only really had that girl’s League was to make sure they keep the money coming in

DJ: Part of that I think was also politics because FDR

Jerry: He got involved absolutely

DJ: because he wants, he knew the

Jerry: The Pastime

DJ: the popularity of baseball at the time and they needed something to distract themselves

Jerry: Entertainment.

DJ: Yeah from what was going [00:33:38] on in the real world. So FDR stepped in and said no we’re going to have we’re going to men’s baseball and not women’s baseball but even left alone, I don’t think they would be able to compete.

Jerry: they weren’t they weren’t to cut out if a girl could throw 90 miles an hour which they didn’t in that League. She’d be just like I’ll bring out the hitter. She’d be pitching right now.

DJ: Even if one could

Jerry: She’d be pitching right now

DJ: maybe theoretically. Yeah, then I don’t see why a woman a woman could not Pitch for the New York Yankees if they had the ability the talent, I don’t see that problem. Once again that’s going from, we’ve [00:34:08] been up to man.

Jerry: Correct

DJ: not the other way down

Jerry: Correct. So, at the end of the day, you’re not going to achieve equality in sports, in life, in politics, it’s just not going to happen.

DJ: Not in a free Society. You have your choice either Freedom or control

Jerry: correct

DJ:  And they want to control it. And then what happens is that your equality is going to be everyone’s equally poor what it’s not going to be everyone’s equally rich, that Utopia that they dream about. No, we’re going to have everyone equally poor. In fact, Al Sharpton said he was talking about what [00:34:38] Martin Luther King was talking about and what you’re talking about was we’re going to have equality in every single house, which means everyone has the same car. Everyone has the same two bedrooms. Everyone has the same couch that is not a free society

Jerry: sounds like

DJ: It’s the antithesis of a free society.

Jerry: Sounds like Stalin, going back to the days of we know what’s better for you and went where no one’s when when everyone special nobody is that the how it said is pretty much poor, just disaster, food strikes at this all across the board for everyone. [00:35:08]

DJ: Well, I was disagree with Stalin on a lot of things, and your right that is him. But one thing he was right about what it compares to what’s going on today is those that are clamoring for equal pay like the women’s soccer, Stalin call them useful idiots. And that’s what they are because they don’t understand, philosophically, what they’re talking about. They’re talking about control and eventually the government is going to control them and tell them that what they have to do and they’re not going to like

Jerry: and they will not get what they what they thought their movement or what [00:35:38] they’re speaking up for will never come which is equal pay.

DJ: I don’t think so. Thanks for listening again. I like to tell you how to get in touch with us, once again. Our email is granddesignspodcast@yahoo.com. The website is granddesignspodcast.com. You can also check out my blog on vocal media, vocal.media and click on the unbalanced section and you’ll see my blog and [00:36:08] in that you can link or to go back to our website and listen to the podcast and also read the transcripts for the each podcast. You can also get in touch with us on Instagram @granddesignspodcast. And, finally, Twitter is @granddesignspod. This is the Grand Designs Podcast. Who are you listening to?

Equality in Sports

Lately, the buzzword has been equality. The debate has ramifications well beyond just sports. For example, equal pay for women to that of what men make. In sports, it’s about equality of transgendered and biological people and just equality with biological females competing with biological males as well as equal pay. So, the question of the day is: is equality in sports even possible?

  Recently, a high school wrestler, biologically male, decided to forfeit his State championship match because he was scheduled to face a biological female. The young wrestler cited his upbringing, his religious faith and not wanting to have such contact with a member of the opposite sex. Given the hysteria surrounding the #MeToo era, who can blame him? There is the possibility, given the current political climate, that an accidental slip of the hand could land him a sexual misconduct charge and bring down the wrath of social media. Even if we take that out of the picture, the young man has every right to withdraw for any reason, including the ones that he gave. The female wrestler claimed to have been insulted because he looked at her as a female wrestler and not as a wrestler. The truth is, she is a female wrestler and conversely, he is a male wrestler. It was and should be well within his rights to forfeit the match, regardless of his reasoning.

  Moving on to the transgender issue seems a little more complex. Two transgender girls dominated the Connecticut High School indoor track girls’ 55-meter sprint. Andrea Yearwood, a 17-year-old biological male who identifies as a female came in second place with a time of 7.01 seconds. Terry miller, who is also transgender, took first place with a female state record of 6.95 seconds. All of the remaining competitors were biological females with the third-place sprinter posting a time of 7.23 seconds. The difference between the former biological males was 0.06 seconds. The difference between second place (transgender female) and third place (biological female), was 0.22 seconds. One can only wonder if the difference was because the first and second place sprinters were both born biological males. Politically correct or not, males are born different then females including bone structure, muscle structure and strength. (In the choice to be either politically correct or philosophically correct, the rational wat is to be philosophically correct path every time.) One of their female biological competitors spoke out against competing with the two transgender sprinters. Selina Soule of Connecticut’s Glastonbury High School told Fox News’ Laura Ingraham, “It’s vey frustrating, because I know I have put in – some of my friends and fellow competitors have put in – so much time and effort to take our times down…but we are not physically able to be competitive against someone who is a biological male.” Soule continued, “We all know the outcome of the race before it starts; it’s demoralizing.” Let’s not forget the fact that be allowing the two transgender females to compete, two biological females lost their place to qualify. The truth is, whether anyone accepts it or not, there is a difference between those born biologically male and those born biologically female, just as there is difference between rain that is wet and fire that will burn.

  The U.S. Women’s soccer team not only demanded equal pay, after the women’s World Cup of 2015 by filing complaints targeting the US Federation for wage discrimination, they were upset for the lack of equal interest between the TV time and sponsorship between the male and female clubs. Besides the fact that demanding equal pay is, whether they are aware of it or not, a purely Marxist notion and is antithetical to free market principles, do they want to demand that more people watch their games and therefore create more interest and demand? Also, it is immoral because, like the entire socialist scheme, it removes choice from the equation and replaces it with force, i.e., we must force equal pay to women players. Without choice there is no morality. Morality ends where force begins.

  In a free society, the only legitimate concept of equality is equality before the law. Where everyone, regardless of skin color, religion, sexual orientation or sexual identity, is treated equally before the law. The hard truth is, you can be a better sprinter than me or I can be a better podcaster than you. If you don’t believe me, try challenging Tom Brady to a football game as a quarterback. The fact is, there is only one place where equality actually exists. In the local cemetery, where everyone is equally dead.